Other State Refuse to Rule Out House-to-House Enforcement

[Andy54Hawken]

there are just too many gun owners today to make wholesale confiscation practical

This I do agree with...the rest I will differ on.
Andy

 

[ma96782]

The Massachusetts approach, where the police have to approve a gun permit?

Rrrrright.....reasonable and common sense to some. So then, while they are checking their own records of "reported incidents". Why not expand the reasonable and common sense to include your online posts, etc....?

Oh yeah....you know it's gonna come.....

Gun permit seekers would see social media searched under New York bill

OMG.....I'm back to my post #27 and the porn search.

Aloha, Mark

 

[Ura-Ki]

I wonder what will happen once they start goin door to door, and they meet some one who has had enough and will not comply?
I wonder how they even know who to search in the first place, it's not like there is a way to track mags and who owns them! If they decide to use their "illegal registry" that would open them up to serious back lash!
I wonder what SCOTUS would say!

I gotta agree with Mr. ANDY, the day of confiscation will not be a good day for those who choose to follow illegal orders and come looking for my stash, they will find a bunch of nasty not nice things waiting for them!

 

[cigars]

California has all the lawyers, NJ has all the toxic waste dumps. To be fair, I guess they had first choice. Those two states are my favorite contenders in the great big giant stupidity contest.

 

[Howard1955]

In April of 1775 the English Army went to Concord to confiscate arms ( to include a privately owned cannon)...we should all know , just how that turned out.

Now the question remains : Are we made of the same stuff as those folks who stood on Lexington Green on the 19th of April 1775...?
Andy

The way of life in the pioneer days required both strength and determination. I think gun-owning Americans have plenty of strength, but we haven't been required to have the same kind of grit as our forefathers. (I might be wrong about this, especially in view of the fact that we've been in a long series of wars, giving us a lot of combat veterans.)

But modern life doesn't seem to produce the kind of "rugged individuals" who stayed with Washington at Valley Forge. Given that level of hardship, I think a lot of us Moderns would quit and go home.

We are their descendants, though, so we might surprise ourselves if push comes to shove.

I think there are different "red lines" for each of us. What might inspire one person to pledge their life, their wealth, and their reputation to a cause could be a non-issue for someone else. Only something major would galvanize the majority of gun owners to go to war.

An invasion of the continental US would surely trigger an uprising. And I think we would acquit ourselves well. Even the cranky, stove-up old geezers like me will fight if need be.

 

[Ura-Ki]

The way of life in the pioneer days required both strength and determination. I think gun-owning Americans have plenty of strength, but we haven't been required to have the same kind of grit as our forefathers. (I might be wrong about this, especially in view of the fact that we've been in a long series of wars, giving us a lot of combat veterans.)

But modern life doesn't seem to produce the kind of "rugged individuals" who stayed with Washington at Valley Forge. Given that level of hardship, I think a lot of us Moderns would quit and go home.

We are their descendants, though, so we might surprise ourselves if push comes to shove.

I think there are different "red lines" for each of us. What might inspire one person to pledge their life, their wealth, and their reputation to a cause could be a non-issue for someone else. Only something major would galvanize the majority of gun owners to go to war.

An invasion of the continental US would surely trigger an uprising. And I think we would acquit ourselves well. Even the cranky, stove-up old geezers like me will fight if need be.

Back in those days, the number of true patriots was quite small in the beginning, most folks wanted to sue for peace with England, and /or negotiate terms to avoid war! When England committed acts of War against our forefathers, we struck back, and that built up the numbers substantially!

What is happening here is the slow creep, instead of an outright "act of war" against the people. The big question is, will this be the first act of war against us, and what will the rest of us do when it happens! Will the rest of the several states join the fight, or will we simply let things happen and let stand whatever happens in N.J?!?!?!
What happens when the next state decides to follow N.J?

 

[tkdguy]

Gun permit seekers Senator from "Brooklyn" New York. Idiot; and what more would be expect from down to earth New Yorker's. What is the name of that idiot anti-gun US Senator from Brooklyn, New York? Or, does he represent Harlem? NY seems to be a breeding ground for idiot, leftist, anti-gun politicians. And, these folks influence our country?

Let me add that the Brooklyn bonehead Senator seeking gun permit social media reviews and the obnoxious us senator from NY make me think that their NY voters elected these two boneheads in their likeness; that is to say, by example, the Portland, Eugene, or where ever and those that voted for the re-election of the stain in Salem, re-elected that person because the stain is in their own personality likeness. As my uncle told me over and over: birds of a feather flock together.

 

[nwslopoke]

The threat of it would work though. Government understands the idea of divide and conquer. Target a few homes where they are sure to get results (where they have some intel that mags exist and can be found), go raid those, and this would spur compliance. Screw up and raid some innocent family who doesn't even own guns, or worse, someone innocent who resists and is armed, and then the fecal matter would hit the fan.

I think (hope) they understand that, but you never know. It is New Jersey after all.

In the early 80s LAPD under Darryl Gates battle rammed through many wrong houses with personnel carriers and pick up trucks all across LA county. Because he did it in da hood, not many people put 2 and 2 together.

The only out cry was from the hood dwellers. The rest of America didn't see it as an overreach. When da police do it to gun owners homes, the rest of America won't see it as an overreach. Ask me how I know.

 

[tkdguy]

In the early 80s LAPD under Darryl Gates battle rammed through many wrong houses with personnel carriers and pick up trucks all across LA county. Because he did it in da hood, not many people put 2 and 2 together.

The only out cry was from the hood dwellers. The rest of America didn't see it as an overreach. When da police do it to gun owners homes, the rest of America won't see it as an overreach. Ask me how I know.

Good point. And, awful state of mental affairs and failing to see the implications.

 

[The Heretic]

In the early 80s LAPD under Darryl Gates battle rammed through many wrong houses with personnel carriers and pick up trucks all across LA county. Because he did it in da hood, not many people put 2 and 2 together.

The only out cry was from the hood dwellers. The rest of America didn't see it as an overreach. When da police do it to gun owners homes, the rest of America won't see it as an overreach. Ask me how I know.

We are increasingly a minority, demonized as paranoid would be killers - so yes, there would probably be little outcry, or at least many who would support such a move.

 

[nammac]

I was not taking of the threat of confiscation...but the as in the case of April 19th 1775... the actual attempt of confiscation.

I know where I stand on this..and in no way am I the same as Johnathan Parker...but I would like to stand on the right side of that line , when it comes down to it.
But I also understand that many will not think like I do and may be on the other side of that line.
Andy

I'll be on the right side of that line with yer Brother....

 

[nammac]

California has all the lawyers, NJ has all the toxic waste dumps. To be fair, I guess they had first choice. Those two states are my favorite contenders in the great big giant stupidity contest.

Don't forget to include:
New York
Connecticut and
Hawaii

 

[Stomper]

Coming to your bedroom soon!!

Sure, I'd let "gun census workers" come onto my property to search the place..... but they'll likely leave as a bar of soap.



Saponification will wash away all their sins.

 

[308]

The gun census guy is quite possibly the winner of "Biggest Idiot of the Year Award, 2018". And that is really saying something considering the parade of jackassery we've seen. Some Trotskyite mouth-breather coming to my door, without a warrant, demanding an inventory of firearms and to dig through all my property? Yaaaaa ... that ain't happening.

When they dig dong your door bell, answer it naked while holding a costco size squeeze bottle of mustard. My guess is they will leave rather quickly.

 

[notazombie]

At the risk of getting too philosophical so early in the morning, let me throw this out there...let's stop and really think about the possibilities surrounding a situation like this.
Assuming you (we) were living in a free state that suddenly passed some arbitrary unconstitutional legislation that made you a criminal overnight. If you decide to ignore said unconstitutional legislation, that might be the end of it right there. You'd simply have some contraband locked in a safe that you'd never be able to enjoy in public again. It's a passive restriction.

But...what if it gets extra Orwellian and the .gov decides to actively pursue. Based on internet history search, an anonymous tip from a disgruntled associate, or even loose lips from a spouse or child, any one of us could make the 4am door breach list.

Ask yourself HONESTLY, are you willing to be a dead example in your boxers on your front step because "cold dead hands"? I'd like to think I'd be willing to die on that hill but I truthfully don't know what I'd do with a dozen heavily armed agents in my space looking for Pmags.

I've got a pretty nice house, a good job, a decent collection of toys, and a little money in the bank -- all assets that are shared with my wife who would be found guilty by association. Life is pretty comfortable for me compared 1775 and I don't feel like I'm in the nothing left to lose category yet. I worked my bubblegum off for decades to get here and don't feel like losing everything to attorney's fees or civil forfeiture. I suspect my situation is similar to most of you guys as well in this regard.

This is a total bullsh!t situation. Would I be voluntarily turning anything in? Nope. But if Storm Troopers show up at my house in a show of force, just itching for me to make the first move so they have justification to neutralize a threat, I'm not really sure exactly what I'd do. Just being honest.

This needs to be beaten back in court. In every state. Now. We can't allow these precedents to be set.

 

[Geardo]

I was not taking of the threat of confiscation...but the as in the case of April 19th 1775... the actual attempt of confiscation.

I know where I stand on this..and in no way am I the same as Johnathan Parker...but I would like to stand on the right side of that line , when it comes down to it.
But I also understand that many will not think like I do and may be on the other side of that line.
Andy

I would proudly stand on the right side of that line with you Andy.

 

[Goosebrown]

I protect myself by having so much crap it will take a team of 12 3 weeks to search all my crap. Takes me that long in fact.

 

[slimmer13]

Coming to your bedroom soon!!

What if I just tell them to get off my property like I do with the regular census takers?

 

[Stomper]

Ask yourself HONESTLY, are you willing to be a dead example in your boxers on your front step because "cold dead hands"? I'd like to think I'd be willing to die on that hill but I truthfully don't know what I'd do with a dozen heavily armed agents in my space looking for Pmags.

I've got a pretty nice house, a good job, a decent collection of toys, and a little money in the bank -- all assets that are shared with my wife who would be found guilty by association. Life is pretty comfortable for me compared 1775 and I don't feel like I'm in the nothing left to lose category yet. I worked my bubblegum off for decades to get here and don't feel like losing everything to attorney's fees or civil forfeiture. I suspect my situation is similar to most of you guys as well in this regard.

Not all prisons have concrete floors and steel bars. Some cages truly are gilded, and the floor is lined with fear.


Choose your freedom.

 

[nwslopoke]

Topics like these is why local elections matter. Race, sex, sexuality, popularity and looks need to stop being a priority for law makers and any indication of intelligence or leadership qualifications. I can't say what difference it would have made but President Ross Perot would have sent us in a different trajectory. Possibly one we would have never believed that our current situation would exist.

Look where our conversations are heading. I made a small donation to the Washington state anti I-1639 fund and I don't even live there. Being a California native I clearly see where things unchecked will go. Get off the couch and do something. You don't need the hold a sign or say a word but let your presence be known. The oppositions takes our silence and absence as approval of their actions.