Poll: Prohibited Carry on Employer Property

[pietro beretta]

New job specifically says it forbids firearms on company property, and as I understand it - in my vehicle still counts as on company property. The company maintains a private parking lot, I happen to be about 10 feet from the door that is near my car, my car is directly outside that door.

Do you carry in your vehicle even though it's prohibited - or do you opt not to carry?

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[Stomper]

Concealed.... means.... concealed.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

Yes, in a hidden vehicle safe.

 

[v0lcom13sn0w]

i bring my edc into work and put it in my tool box as do 6 other guys... and thats just in the shop. doesnt include the other departments. we have a no firearms policy in our employee handbook but honestly, its dont ask dont tell concealed means concealed. My boss is onboard with it and he carries too.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

I would worry about my car being broken into and having my gun stolen.
We have had car break ins at work in the past. ( the car safe idea is interesting )
Which is sad since I teach at a high school in a rural district.
But crime is everywhere...
Besides if I were to need a gun , chances are it would be needed at work not in my car at the parking lot .
So leaving it in my car is kinda pointless.
Andy

 

[pietro beretta]

If I were to carry, and leave in the car ( and I very seldom do), my car would be parked on the street 40 ft from where I normally park. Then it is none of my employers business. Done!

This is not possible in my situation as the road that runs along the parking lot is a highway with no shoulder and no parking tow-away signs posted, argh!

 

[pietro beretta]

I would worry about my car being broken into.
So leaving it in my car is kinda pointless.
Andy

Parking lot is restricted and controlled access. Not saying it's impossible for someone to break into a car but it's very unlikely.

There is controled entry into the main facility as well - you need a badge to get in the door. My department happens to be the only one a side door with parking specific to my department.

 

[HuckleberryFun]

My place of work has this policy, violation of which is grounds for immediate termination. I have flouted this from time to time in the past. For now, I don't carry on my self or in my car while at work, but reserve the right to change that at any time.
In other words, if it came to it: "screw 'em".

 

[wired]

I leave mine in my car in the company parking lot just like the facility manager and the VP of ops ( and most of the other workers ) do. Its part of the "corporate says its against company policy but no no one really cares" policy. We all "carry" at out own risk. Ive worked at places where I actually had a reason to have a gun close by and it stayed in my desk drawer also against company policy. The VP of HR always used to tuck a baby Browning in her pocket whenever she went in to fire someone. Make no mistake about it. A lot of the upper management types you wouldnt think carry often do discreetly.

 

[etrain16]

If it's concealed, will they know? I assume you don't pass through metal detectors or a pat-down when you go to work each day? Many employers have similar policies, but let me ask you this - what provision does your employer make for your personal safety while at work? Do they have armed guards at the door should someone come in and try to shoot the place up? Are the doors to the outside even locked? Does the potential risk that something bad may happen to you magically disappear when you walk in the door at work each day?

Regarding your vehicle, how often do they do vehicle searches at your company? Hint - that's sarcasm, because I'd be quite surprised if they did.

You take a risk to carry at work, but it is quite small. Unless the way you carry makes it obvious, or say you allow your shirt to flip up so a co-worker can catch a glimpse of your holster, or you forget your gun in the bathroom, they will never know - that is, unless you have to pull it in defense of your life. At that point, yeah, you may lose your job, but then you may survive something you may not have otherwise and you'd be around to look for another one. Weighing those two choices, I'd say go ahead and carry - just be sure you're comfortable with your rig and you're not constantly grabbing at/adjusting your holster all day long like a newbie with their first gun. You should be able to comfortably move about your day without ever touching that rig, if you can't do that, get that comfortable first, then you should be fine.

I know a number of people that carry at work even though policy, not law, forbids it. What is more important to you? Your job or your life? Only you can make that call.

 

[etrain16]

I would worry about my car being broken into and having my gun stolen.
We have had car break ins at work in the past. ( the car safe idea is interesting )
Which is sad since I teach at a high school in a rural district.
But crime is everywhere...
Besides if I were to need a gun , chances are it would be needed at work not in my car at the parking lot .
So leaving it in my car is kinda pointless.
Andy

I would think schools would be a tougher one for the reason you mentioned as well as for the fact that at times, kids have been known to attack teachers, and there is a risk, albeit minor, that someone could get a gun off of someone who was carrying.

The car gun safe is a good idea. I keep one in each of my cars for those times that I simply can't carry on my person. But I agree, locked up in your car may not do you any good should a shooting occur. It's a tough call on your situation Andy. But I do wonder, if you had it properly concealed, would anyone ever know, save for that one event, that hopefully never happens, where you would have to pull it in defense of yourself or say, a student?

I use something similar to this in my cars - not this same model, but similar. They are obviously not meant to stop a truly determined thief who has time and maybe a few tools to get this out. But since most car break-ins are a crime of opportunity, meaning they are not necessarily prepared or equipped to break into a safe, you're likely only dealing with a smash and grab - break the window, grab something and run - all in under 10 seconds. Little safes like these, which I keep under the seats, cabled to the seat frame, would take considerably more time to get into - several minutes of uninterrupted work, with at least a hammer and screwdriver to have a chance to get into it. I'd say the chances of that, knowing how most car break-ins happen, is extremely low.



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[Andy54Hawken]

Another reason I hesitate to carry at school is that most school shooters are students or former students.
Not sure that I want to shoot a student or former student in front of my Special Needs kids.
Plus shooting someone you know is far different than shooting when I was on the battlefield many moons ago.

I get that my situation is a bit different than most people , so maybe my post should be in another , new thread?.
Andy

 

[etrain16]

Another reason I hesitate to carry at school is that most school shooters are students or former students.
Not sure that I want to shoot a student or former student in front of my Special Needs kids.
Plus shooting someone you know is far different than shooting when I was on the battlefield many moons ago.

I get that my situation is a bit different than most people , so maybe my post should be in another , new thread?.
Andy

I don't think you need another thread Andy, you bring in just one of many different perspectives, and considerations, that may help in this discussion. As to your point about shooting a student in front of another student, I would simply ask - what is the alternative? Have the student shoot you, or one of your students?

I personally hope I would never, ever, have to pull a gun on anyone, anywhere - at home, at the store, anywhere. Personally, I don't take that responsibility lightly. Each person has to consider not only the risk of carrying, but the risk of drawing that gun, and the potential effect on yourself and others should you have to use it. It's very serious business to be sure.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

What is the alternative?
Being dead or wounded versus a lifetime of therapy for trauma.
That is a very good question and one I debate with myself often etrain.

One thing that is not debatable is that I will do whatever it takes to make sure my students get home safe each day.
Andy

 

[dobeman]

depends on where you work, but this almost falls into the trust no one category. In today's rush to correctness, anyone at work overhears you talking to a bud about your piece in the car, a tip to security, they confront you at the desk, want to escort you to your car.. or.. pull into work one day, in a rush. Getting your piece into the safe in the car, a nosey fellow employee walking by on their way in sees what you are doing a rushes to tattle out of political correctness. So, of course, be very discrete and trust no one, queue X Files music.

 

[easy-e]

I'm pretty lucky that I work for my dad and he got me into shooting. I've worked on my pistol at my desk and I assembled my new scope at my desk yesterday. After everyone left I leveled it out in our warehouse (it's about 50 yards down one of our isles). I also have my squat rack and gym setup in a corner of our warehouse so I'm always there odd hours. I wouldn't be down there without a firearm.

From me talking about firearms at work lately I've actually convinced one of my co-workers and one of her sons who's my age to go and get their CPLs because the laws could change at any election cycle and it'll be better to be grandfathered into the current ones.

 

[Mark W.]

I drive Dump truck for a construction co. The company due to the insurance has a no weapons policy. We park our trucks on another companies property they also have a no weapons policy. That said I know of at least a couple guys who have carried at work in the past. There could be more. Even though I have had a permit since 91 I still rarely carry. And I value my job to much to risk it.

 

[The Heretic]

IIRC there was a recent court case where the corp. fired an employee for keeping his firearm in his car and the employee won the case. In most states I think your vehicle is your own private property and the employer cannot search it themselves. They can say they can, but corps. say a lot of crap that isn't legal. I would never open my vehicle for a search. If I heard that my employer did searches like that, I would (and could) find another place of employment.

That said, I would keep a firearm in my vehicle - I do (it is hidden and I don't move it - i.e., I don't carry on my person and then put it in the car then retrieve it - it always stays hidden in the car with my GHB supplies).

If it was a government installation that was a secure facility - like a military base or a prison or something like that, then yeah, I probably would comply with their regulation, and I did when I was in the military. Private corporation? No.

 

[etrain16]

IIRC there was a recent court case where the corp. fired an employee for keeping his firearm in his car and the employee won the case. In most states I think your vehicle is your own private property and the employer cannot search it themselves. They can say they can, but corps. say a lot of crap that isn't legal. I would never open my vehicle for a search. If I heard that my employer did searches like that, I would (and could) find another place of employment.

That said, I would keep a firearm in my vehicle - I do (it is hidden and I don't move it - i.e., I don't carry on my person and then put it in the car then retrieve it - it always stays hidden in the car with my GHB supplies).

If it was a government installation that was a secure facility - like a military base or a prison or something like that, then yeah, I probably would comply with their regulation, and I did when I was in the military. Private corporation? No.

It's a bit twisted, because in Multnomah County, your car is considered 'public property', at least with respect to their ridiculous gun laws. Now, does that apply if your car is actually on private property, such as your employer's? Hard to say. Lot of grey area there.

 

[Brutus57]

It's a bit twisted, because in Multnomah County, your car is considered 'public property', at least with respect to their ridiculous gun laws. Now, does that apply if your car is actually on private property, such as your employer's? Hard to say. Lot of grey area there.

Tell them you live in your car, then it is your castle!

Suk it Multnomah!

Brutus Out