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Well... you really have to take into account WHO you're asking that make up that 88.5%. Personally, I don't think it's really all that far off the mark when you consider who it is that's responding to it.As I am writing this post, the percentage of no votes is about 88.5%. I was talking to a gal the other day and sharing the percentages of this poll and she is calling BS with the numbers. She thinks that many of those who said they won't get a permit will get a permit. I am thinking she might right. If measure 114 holds up it will be interesting to see how may people change their mind.
I started a ruger mark 1/standard build. I intended to buy a ruger style target pistol. but 114 past & I refuse to get that fancy permit. So I looked up the receiver dimensions and bought a grip frame from gun broker and yea I'll have a ruger standard soon enough.I don't want to throw up too many red flags and draw too much unwanted attention, but seeing how the cat is already out of the bag, to a degree... along with the proliferation of PP sales/purchases... I think there is going to be an explosion in the PMF markets. As restrictive states just get more and more over the top with their woke agenda's more and more that wish to remain full on law abiding will seek out alternatives to PP sales or governmental controls.
If you look back just a short 5-7 years ago, the selection of 80% frames and receivers was fairly limited. Parts kits and such were also more of a niche thing. Those folk delving in back then often needed to know what was required and order parts one by one. We've also seen a large number of retailers supporting that market come online.
Now days, the selection of build options is much greater and, IMHO, I think it will rapidily increase as more and more folks are pushed out of traditional means of aquiring a firearm. With that progress too, the materials and processes have been refined to where it's not only easier to do, but the final products are nearly as reliable and accurate as a store bought. For those with more expertise, they can even surpass mainstream mfg'ers mass produced products.
The nutshell: Comply/submit to gooberment control... OR.... be a criminal are not the only 2 options. A purchase permit scheme... that's certainly a catalyst for even more to make the PMF plunge.
I agree with you in part, as I am buying what I want not what I need. However I know there a lot of firearms owners who talk the talk but don't walk the walk when push comes to shove. I guarantee you that when the want overcomes the urge to resist a lot of people who said no on here are gonna permit up.. I always hear a lot of "don't tread on me", but don't see much action to back it up.Well... you really have to take into account WHO you're asking that make up that 88.5%. Personally, I don't think it's really all that far off the mark when you consider who it is that's responding to it.
Typically more established/mature folks that own multiple firearms, dont purchase out of need so much as just a want, etc etc. It's not at all unrealistic that we'll just decide we have enough and the cost to complying is simply too great.
I mean, take 941 as a practical example that isn't especially all that restrictive/prohibitive in nature. It sure did cool off a lot of gun sales though!
Me personally, I see guns I would "like" to have, but when I consider a 4473 I have always decided... "I don't need it and I don't really want it that much." Even if you make an exception post 941 because you just want it too much... now having to jump for a permit... there is no firearm I need or can't live without that's going to make it worth a permit.
I hardly think I'm a rare breed in that opinion or situation in life. Not within the NWFA community, anyway.
They also don't realize that, by refusing to get a permit, they are giving the antis exactly what they wanted: no gun sales in Oregon. So the antis and LEVO win.I agree with you in part, as I am buying what I want not what I need. However I know there a lot of firearms owners who talk the talk but don't walk the walk when push comes to shove. I guarantee you that when the want overcomes the urge to resist a lot of people who said no on here are gonna permit up.. I always here a lot of "don't tread on me", but don't see much action to back it up.
True, just think about what it would look like if 80% of Oregonians stopped buying firearms! Not to mention this is just an appetizer of what's to come in the future. Now that they know they can pass anything, next they will come after the MSR and semi autos they will be coming after ammunition putting purchase limits on us. And MSR's will either be banned or be featureless and require a takedown to pull the mag out just like California requires.They also don't realize that, by refusing to get a permit, they are giving the antis exactly what they wanted: no gun sales in Oregon. So the antis and LEVO win.
That's certainly one way to look at it, but by no means the only way and others may view it differently.They also don't realize that, by refusing to get a permit, they are giving the antis exactly what they wanted: no gun sales in Oregon. So the antis and LEVO win.
I think the people who say yes don't get where the no voter comes from. It's not a gun issue. It's a rights issue. No matter how you swing it, there's a number of people that can't agree to giving authority where it's not warranted. I'm not going to ask my neighbor if I can pee because he doesn't have the authority and it's none of his business. Oregon has already overreached enough (and we now have more shootings than ever) and as one of the LEVO ministers crying on the news says, this is just a start. If you haven't heard that with every other measure or attempt, you sadly aren't paying attention.Looks to be pretty seamless
Anticipated steps in the Permit to Purchase Application Process:
- The applicant is responsible for completing a certified firearm safety course and obtaining proof of completion.
- The applicant submits a completed Permit to Purchase application and proof of completion of an approved safety course to a Permit Agent which is defined as a local Police Department or Sheriff's Office.
- The Permit Agent will review documents and if applicable, <--- they will collect the required fees, take a photograph of the applicant, and obtain fingerprints.
- The Permit Agent will do an initial review of the application packet for possible disqualifiers, before submitting the packet to the Oregon State Police for a national and state background check.
- The application and fingerprints are submitted to Oregon State Police for a comprehensive background check.
- Oregon State Police will run the background check and respond to the Permit Agent with a qualified or disqualified after all research is complete.
- The Permit Agent makes the final decision to issue a Permit to Purchase or deny the applicant which must be completed within 30 days of the response from the Oregon State Police's background check.
Lovely!For those of you wanting to get a permit, the application is now up on the OSP web site. Press the "Permit To Purchase Application" button to get the form. Good luck getting the demonstration component of the training and then finding an agent to take photo and fingerprints, and send the package to OSP.
I don't think it's constitutional to require CHL to carry, yet lots of members here got them?I think the people who say yes don't get where the no voter comes from. It's not a gun issue. It's a rights issue. No matter how you swing it, there's a number of people that can't agree to giving authority where it's not warranted. I'm not going to ask my neighbor if I can pee because he doesn't have the authority and it's none of his business. Oregon has already overreached enough (and we now have more shootings than ever) and as one of the LEVO ministers crying on the news says, this is just a start. If you haven't heard that with every other measure or attempt, you sadly aren't paying attention.
Prior to 114 the state didn't have the authority to do what it's trying to do. Why give them power they don't have when they have proven their gun control laws don't work? Do we have more shootings or less shootings now?
Mmm, mmm...Comparing fire arm owners/enthusiasts with Amish women? That's a first I think?that's kinda like going to an Amish womens bible study class and asking them if they will strip for money... then calling BS when 9 out of 10 say "NO".