Permission to Conceal Carry on Oregon Native American Reservation

[gryghin]

There has to be someone here that has looked into this.

How do you go about doing this the correct way?

If I'm at Spirit Mountain, that is under the jurisdiction of the Grand Ronde Tribe, correct?

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Concealed Carry Permits | The Confederated Tribes of Grand Ronde


concealed means concealed. just sayin

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

Never carry in a tribal casino. Too many damn cameras. That being said, every week a firearm gets stolen out of vehicles in our local casino parking lot. The casino security is a joke. Last year a little old lady was standing in the middle of the tables when some punk wearing an Oakland Raiders cap grabbed several hundred dollars of her cash and ran right past security out the front door.

In general you have "safe passage" with your CHL on Federal Freeways or State Highways through the Reservation. If you have to go on the Reservation while carrying, don't get out of your car. Sometimes I am tasked with dropping off or picking up my kids on the Rez so I keep my pistol in a removable holster and have a safe in the car in case I need to stash it.

I am not sure how domicile laws apply on the Rez, but I have carried my portable safe in a laptop case into several Indian casino hotels where I have stayed the night. Also, we never did figure out how Fife, Washington which is almost entirely in a Reservation rates. Bubblegum it, concealed means concealed.

Natives are pretty cool with all sorts of knives in their casinos. One of their Native security officers was recently fired for keeping a customers knife he found on the floor instead of turning it in to the lost and found. A few weeks ago I was unarmed (except for pepper spray and a Kershaw folder) at the casino bar with my wife and noticed a "cowboy" with a nice leather holster on his belt at the 5 o' clock position and I am thinking WTF WTF? Then I see that it is a holster for a large fixed blade knife with a bone or ivory handle.

 

[pioneer461]

I once asked permission to bring a firearm onto Warm Springs, while driving from the Portland area to Bend. As a retired police officer I am able to carry without need of a permit, and on this trip, I planned to have a rifle in the trunk. Spoke by phone with Tribal Police chief, and his reply was no way, no how, never, unless you have permission of the tribal council. Good luck with that!
I've visited tribal lands many times over the years. I would never encourage anyone to break the law, tribal or otherwise. Crimes committed on tribal land are prosecuted in federal courts.

Don't ask, don't tell.​

BTW: My AR fits nicely in an electric guitar gig bag. ​

 

[gryghin]

I once asked permission to bring a firearm onto Warm Springs, while driving from the Portland area to Bend. As a retired police officer I am able to carry without need of a permit, and on this trip, I planned to have a rifle in the trunk. Spoke by phone with Tribal Police chief, and his reply was no way, no how, never, unless you have permission of the tribal council. Good luck with that!
I've visited tribal lands many times over the years. I would never encourage anyone to break the law, tribal or otherwise. Crimes committed on tribal land are prosecuted in federal courts.

Don't ask, don't tell.​

BTW: My AR fits nicely in an electric guitar gig bag. ​

My ancestors were the only commonwealth of the United States that were allowed to vote themselves out and we see how that's turned out for them. The native tribes here, were granted sovereignty, so I'm inclined to try to respect their wishes.

As a Nuclear Reactor Operator during my time in Uncle Sam's Canoe club, my tendencies are to adhere to the rules as much as possible.

Though, one thing the Navy taught me "when asked" to tell the truth, the amount of the truth is up to the individual. Then again, I can neither confirm nor deny the presence of weapons, nuclear or otherwise, being aboard.

BTW: My AR pistol fits nicely in a Nike tennis racket bag.

 

[wired]

I work on the Yakama reservation and see people open and concealed carrying all the time. Don't know about the Casino's though as I never go there.

I'm sure they have rules on the subject but like everything else the Yakama tribal police don't care unless your'e being a dick. If you are a rule follower then you could check with the tribal council.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/tribal_law_ccw.pdf

 

[thorborg]

tribal laws do not apply to federal highways, Cannot speak for casinos or tribal land but if you stay on the federal highways you are good to go through, regardless of persnickety tribal police, pending you are up to snuff and in accordance with all federal gun laws.

 

[wired]

One thing to keep in mind is that the reservations are not part of the state And state laws generally do not apply But many federal laws do

 

[slimmer13]

My observations have been that tribal police generally don't want to make a big thing about it (when casinos are involved anyway), and would likely ask you to immediately leave tribal land, rather than arrest. YMMV

 

[Sgt Nambu]

Meh! What they don't know won't hurt me!

Please note that this, concerning my family's safety, is the only thing I'm going to be a scofflaw about on tribal lands! I will be respectful and careful not to even print. Probably leave the weapon in the vehicle. With this exception, their house, their rules!

 

[etrain16]

So, I followed the link posted above - it's how to get a Tribal CC permit. It states you must first have a CHL issued by any county in Oregon, at which point you can apply for the Tribal Permit. What's not clear - does that mean ANY Oregon resident, or just members of the Grand Ronde? I would think they would make that clear - I don't know if they issue "non-resident" CC permits for tribal lands.

Interesting enough - even with a tribal permit, you are still absolutely prohibited from carrying in the casino, as well as any other Tribal building or other location where Tribal business is being conducted (unless you have a special endorsement to do so).

So here are the rules IF you have their CC permit:

A Tribal Concealed Carry Permit is not recognized in any jurisdiction outside of Grand Ronde Tribal lands.

You must hold a current Concealed Handgun License/Carry Permit within any county in the State of Oregon to qualify for a Tribal Concealed Carry Permit.

You may not carry a concealed firearm into any Tribal building, including Spirit Mountain Casino, or any location or event where Tribal business is being conducted, except when:

• You have obtained a special endorsement on your Tribal Concealed Carry Permit because of an active restraining, stalking, protective or no contact order, or other safety concern reviewed and authorized by the Grand Ronde Tribal Chief of Police, or
• Your job duties require you to carry a firearm

You must make an appointment to apply for a permit in person by calling 503-879-1821.

Walk-in applications will not be accepted or processed. Mailed applications are not accepted or processed.

Additionally:

Even with an endorsement, you may never carry into the Spirit Mountain Casino or Tribal Court.

Their website doesn't mention anything about reciprocity with Oregon (it seems pretty clear they don't honor it), so if you want to really respect their rules, I suppose you could apply for their permit - at least find out if it's available to non-Tribal folks? According to the application, there is no cost to apply - but doesn't mention an actual cost for the license (that I could find). At least that way, if you do stop on their lands, and maybe lock your gun in your car, you would be in compliance.

 

[wired]

They wont give you a permit to carry in the casino. They MIGHT give you a permit to carry on the reservation. Reservations are run by the tribes and they can do pretty much whatever they want. They will be surprised to find you jumping through the hoops because its very unlikely anyone else bothers.

 

[mkwerx]

Maybe I am mistaken, but I thought tribal police could not arrest non tribal members for non felony crimes with exception of people in a domestic relationship with a tribe member? Any non felony crimes get booted to federal authorities who typically DGAF about misdemeanors?

I won't get started about what I think of this reservation nonsense and treaties with tribes. And I say this as someone with a strong native lineage - DNA wise anyway.

Regardless - I am not disarming to drive through their territory, and I don't spend time in casinos so ultimately I don't care. As for Confederated Tribes of Grand Ronde - good luck getting the police chiefs approval - they do not have a tribal police force Your only bet then is chief of the tribe. A look at the tribal council makes me laugh because there sure are a lot of pale faces running that show

 

[wired]

They generally just call in the county sheriff to haul you off the reservation if you are not a tribal member and you are causing a stink. We see the county guys out on the Yakama WAY more than the tribal cops. Notice in their rules that its a class B "offense". That means squat.

 

[bbbass]

Tribal security force, hahahaha... I stayed in Pinetop, AZ at the tribe owned RV park while working at a sawmill on the rez. Sawmill owned by the White Mountain Apache tribe. The RV park was right across the street from a tribal casino, I think the casino was owned by a different tribe. Anyway, the whole attitude in both places was f*ck the white man. One of the security patrol stole all my gas cans I had outside by the trailer. Just sayin. Be careful on the rez.

 

[clearconscience]

I always have a firearm (at least one) when driving to Bend through warm springs. It always crosses my mind, what if I get pulled over, but I think unless your doing something stupid they don't care.
I don't get off the freeway for that reason though.

As much as I have a F everyone mentality when it comes to my firearms rights, I do greatly have respect for Native Americans, their heritage, and the way they once lived.

 

[ob1]

Well....Less money for the slots, more for ammo.

{possible exception...Sunday morning buffet at Chinook Winds. They have to wheel me out of there for that}

 

[ponyblanket]

I once asked permission to bring a firearm onto Warm Springs, while driving from the Portland area to Bend. As a retired police officer I am able to carry without need of a permit, and on this trip, I planned to have a rifle in the trunk. Spoke by phone with Tribal Police chief, and his reply was no way, no how, never, unless you have permission of the tribal council. Good luck with that!
I've visited tribal lands many times over the years. I would never encourage anyone to break the law, tribal or otherwise. Crimes committed on tribal land are prosecuted in federal courts.

Don't ask, don't tell.​

BTW: My AR fits nicely in an electric guitar gig bag. ​

 

[ponyblanket]

You got an answer! Asking about concealed carry on roads other than HWY 26, I have written real letters with signature required receipt and never got an answer. Very arrogant attitude if you ask me. I never did anything to WS tribe members. I have had a number of WS enrolled members as friends. BUT, they are still stiff with we unworthy ones.

 

[ScottInTheRain]

Maybe I am mistaken, but I thought tribal police could not arrest non tribal members for non felony crimes with exception of people in a domestic relationship with a tribe member? Any non felony crimes get booted to federal authorities who typically DGAF about misdemeanors?

I asked a tribal police offer about this once. He said he is sworn in at state level and has the same authority as any other law enforcement officer and not bound to just the tribal land.