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Oregon State Senate Bill 346(restricts sale and transfer of large capacity magazines)

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by df662, Jan 22, 2013.

  1. df662

    df662 Hillsboro, OR Active Member

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    Here we go.... Introduced on Jan 13.... Write your reps people. Now!!!!!


    Relating to large capacity magazines; creating new provisions; amending ORS 161.005; and declaring an emergency.


    You can also do a search for bill 346 here to check on the status....


    http://apps.leg.state.or.us/MeasureInfo/Measure



    CONTACT LIST OF OREGON STATE SENATORS


    http://www.leg.state.or.us/dynamic/members.html?member-type=senator


    Senator Herman Baertschiger (R) - Sen.HermanBaertschiger@state.or.us
    Senator Alan Bates (D) - Sen.AlanBates@state.or.us
    Senator Lee Beyer (D) - Sen.LeeBeyer@state.or.us
    Senator Brian Boquist (R) - Sen.BrianBoquist@state.or.us
    Senator Ginny Burdick (D) - Sen.GinnyBurdick@state.or.us
    Senator Betsy Close (R) - Sen.BetsyClose@state.or.us
    Senator Peter Courtney (D) - Sen.PeterCourtney@state.or.us
    Senator Richard Devlin (D) - Sen.RichardDevlin@state.or.us
    Senator Jackie Dingfelder (D) - Sen.JackieDingfelder@state.or.us
    Senator Chris Edwards (D) - Sen.ChrisEdwards@state.or.us
    Senator Ted Ferrioli (R) - Sen.TedFerrioli@state.or.us
    Senator Larry George (R) - Sen.LarryGeorge@state.or.us
    Senator Fred Girod (R) - Sen.FredGirod@state.or.us
    Senator Bill Hansell (R) - Sen.BillHansell@state.or.us
    Senator Mark Hass (D) - Sen.MarkHass@state.or.us
    Senator Betsy Johnson (D) - Sen.BetsyJohnson@state.or.us
    Senator Tim Knopp (R) - sen.timknopp@state.or.us
    Senator Jeff Kruse (R) - Sen.JeffKruse@state.or.us
    Senator Laurie Monnes Anderson (D) - Sen.LaurieMonnesAnderson@state.or.us
    Senator Rod Monroe (D) - Sen.RodMonroe@state.or.us
    Senator Alan Olsen (D) - Sen.AlanOlsen@state.or.us
    Senator Floyd Prozanski (D) - Sen.FloydProzanski@state.or.us
    Senator Arnie Roblan (D) - Sen.ArnieRoblan@state.or.us
    Senator Diane Rosenbaum (D) - Sen.DianeRosenbaum@state.or.us
    Senator Chip Shields (D) - Sen.ChipShields@state.or.us
    Senator Bruce Starr (R) - Sen.BruceStarr@state.or.us
    Senator Elizabeth Steiner Hayward (D) - Sen.ElizabethSteinerHayward@state.or.us
    Senator Chuck Thomsen (R) - Sen.ChuckThomsen@state.or.us
    Senator Doug Whitsett (R) - Sen.DougWhitsett@state.or.us
    Senator Jackie Winters (R) - Sen.JackieWinters@state.or.us






    OREGON STATE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE CONTACT LIST


    Floyd Prozanski, Chair (D) -- sen.floydprozanski@state.or.us
    Betsy Close, Vice Chair (R) -- Sen.BetsyClose@state.or.us
    Jeff Kruse (R) -- sen.jeffkruse@state.or.us
    Jackie Dingfelder (D) -- sen.jackiedingfelder@state.or.us
    Arnie Roblan (D) -- sen.arnieroblan@state.or.us




    SAMPLE LETTER (feel free to use)

    Subject: SB346, Protect the 2nd Amendment


    Dear Senators / Representatives,


    I am writing to voice my opposition to any new firearm/magazine legislation created secondary to the tragic events in Newtown, Connecticut. Infringing on the right of the people to exercise their Second Amendment rights will do nothing to stem the tide of violence in America.

    Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, CT suffered a horrible tragedy in December 2012 when a madman went on a rampage against innocent children. I literally cannot imagine the pain and devastation those families experienced. Many people in the media and throughout the country immediately ran to call for stricter gun laws – especially to ban assault weapons and high- capacity ammunition clips. All of these people missed the point entirely: the people behind gun tragedies should be held responsible for their reprehensible actions. The rest of the law-abiding citizens should not have to have more of their liberties taken away from them due to a madman's assault on human lives. We should attempt to detect these mentally unstable individuals at an earlier time with hopes of keeping weapons out of their hands, but that should be the extent of further government interference.

    It is not government's place to meddle and handicap law-abiding citizens – especially in an area where the Constitution has already explicitly made its case. More citizens should even be encouraged to own weapons and to become more proficient in the weapons they own. Criminals have always preferred and will continue to prefer unarmed victims. Prison surveys indicate when a criminal considers breaking into a home, the greatest deterrent, in his mind, is the fear that his intended victims might be armed. Members of the government should not fear an armed citizenry for this reason.

    Once again I urge you to oppose ANY new firearm /magazine regulations that would infringe on the rights of LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. Thank you for your time.


    Respectfully,

    ~~ Your Name Here ~~




    SAMPLE LETTER #2

    Dear Senators,

    I am a law-abiding citizen and responsible gun owner.

    I am saddened by the tragic events in Newtown, Connecticut, but I believe that efforts to impose new firearm/magazine restrictions on me and other lawful and responsible owners like me are misguided. Did you know that violent crime with firearms has declined since the Federal "assault weapons ban" expired in 2004?

    Your focus should be on strengthening mental health care and improving the quality of data supporting NICs checks (National Instant Criminal Background Check System). Do NOT pass more gun laws; instead, work to enforce the more than 20,000 gun laws already on the books.

    I am your constituent and I vote. Please represent me.

    Sincerely,
    (Your Contact Information)
     
  2. duane black

    duane black Washington Well-Known Member

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    You folks in OR need to fight this. Right here, right now.

    On a side note ( I'm not a lawyer ) what would stop you folks from crossing the Columbia and buying mags here ? Seems to me it doesnt say a thing about buying, unless Im missing something here ? Or online ?

    It's hard to understand that these folks waste time on this BS when there is so much more than they could be doing. I'm having California flashbacks at the moment.

    SECTION 1. { + (1) A person commits the crime of unlawfully
    transferring a large capacity magazine if the person knowingly
    sells, or otherwise transfers for consideration, a large capacity
    magazine.

    BTW - this is how it went down in California. A little here, a little there, and in 20 years you have so much to fight it will take a few generations to do it. Do not let these folks pass ONE SINGLE control related bill, EVER.
     
  3. DireWolf

    DireWolf Oregon Active Member

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    Sent e-mails to my state rep and senator.
     
  4. df662

    df662 Hillsboro, OR Active Member

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    Technically buying from a dealer, private party, etc... is a transfer :)
     
  5. oli700

    oli700 Rogue Valley Well-Known Member

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    EFF feeble emails, your words have no teeth, they get deleted, your pleas have fallen on deaf ears......put down the key board and get to the capital on the 8[SUP]th[/SUP]!
     
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  6. duane black

    duane black Washington Well-Known Member

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    Correct, but OR state law doesn't apply across the Columbia. I do not see " import " in the bill...

    I'M NOT A LAWYER !

    :)
     
  7. df662

    df662 Hillsboro, OR Active Member

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    Write your reps and show up on the 8th :)
     
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  8. DireWolf

    DireWolf Oregon Active Member

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    Chuck Thomsen responded via iPhone already.

     
  9. moose

    moose northwet coast Well-Known Member

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    I don't get the 'emergency' part.

    This would make my tube feed M62 pump action 22lr illegal since it only seem to allow lever actions. :confused: What a bunch of dorks.
     
  10. Bob D

    Bob D Oregon, Cascades Well-Known Member

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    How do they plan on enforce this? Magazines don't have serial numbers.
     
  11. ZigZagZeke

    ZigZagZeke Eugene Silver Supporter Silver Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    A couple of points:

    1) It doesn't specify a cartridge or a size (e.g. doesn't say, ".22LR"). It specifies a barrel caliber of .22. A .22 caliber rifle could include a .22 magnum, a new variation of the .217 HMR in .22 caliber, or how about a slightly smaller .223? Maybe a .220 Swift AR-15? Who's going to be the first manufacturer to make a tube fed .22 caliber AR-15 in one of these calibers? Multiple tubes, anyone?

    2) "...for consideration..." in legalese means "in return for something of value". That something of value can be money, trade goods, or a promise of future benefit. Under this law, as it's worded, it would be legal to give away a 30 round magazine. I foresee a lot of difficulty proving that a gift was really a trade. (e.g. "I'll trade you a 30 round magazine for two bags of premium dog food."...and later "Your honor, we had the evidence laying in little piles all over the defendant's property, but it rained before we could scoop it up.")

    It's kinda comical when people who aren't very bright or informed collude to try to regulate something they know nothing about.
     
  12. ZigZagZeke

    ZigZagZeke Eugene Silver Supporter Silver Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    Read again. Any caliber lever action, tube fed would be legal. Also, any .22 caliber tube fed rifle, regardless of action type. How about a tube fed, .220 Swift AR style rifle?:bluelaugh:
     
  13. Bob D

    Bob D Oregon, Cascades Well-Known Member

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    Ten .223 rounds in a tube is already almost two feet long. you wouldn't get a very high capacity out of it.

    .220 Swift is even longer.
     
  14. duane black

    duane black Washington Well-Known Member

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    This is another good point. It seems to me the bill is missing some very key words to put teeth into it, we probably should stop discussing that aspect. :D

    It would be just like California's ; VERY hard to enforce. If you are board, look into magazine repair kits... Calguns wiki has some nice insight.
     
  15. DireWolf

    DireWolf Oregon Active Member

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    No one.
     
  16. BigDaddyDMD

    BigDaddyDMD Albany, OR Member

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    Already sent messages to my state senators and representative. Messages may or may not fall on deaf ears, but I hope to hear back from them and hear where they stand on bill 346. The best thing will be to amass again in Salem, and hopefully many more will be there this time. This kind of bill is how it all started in CA. (no disrespect to any Californians on the forum) and needs to be thwarted.
     
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  17. oli700

    oli700 Rogue Valley Well-Known Member

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    That’s a great compromise, I’m in
     
  18. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    This bill seems to be in the Judiciary now. Write to the members of the Judiciary Committee as well!

    P.S. Why is this not in Legal and Political section ?
     
  19. trainsktg

    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    What? No reference to 'the children'?

    I'm currently reading a book on the arguments in favor of that led to the passage of the 18th Amendment (Prohibition). It was for the children too. One provision in the law was that alcohol was not allowed within 300 feet of a school.

    Keith
     
  20. df662

    df662 Hillsboro, OR Active Member

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    Updated original post with judiciary committee contact list...