Oregon Oregon measure 114

[Hooyah DeepSea]

So, this probably will not fix the problem, but will make it more 'in your face' to those who voted incorrectly.
If I lived in the areas where the principle vote was 'yes', i.e. the Willamette Valley, I would make up a form that states that since you can't carry sufficient rounds to adequately protect yourself / family, that the places you shop or eat at agree to provide adequate protection / guarantee safety for you as a customer. When you enter an establishment, you ask for the owner or manager and ask them to sign the form. If they won't (a pretty good bet) then don't shop or eat there anymore. AND, when you depart peacefully, let all the other patrons know that they won't be protected while inside that establishment either. It is legal and perfectly acceptable, but you must stay civil.
If we do this enough, 'they' just might get the message.

 

[Richo877]

I'm holding out until they clear up the language defining "unlawful possession and use" of magazines.

 

[gddgunsngear]

Ive seen this state get worse and worse w/ the 2a.
Totally insane, anybody pissed yet?

If its the case that CHL holder needs to keep it 10rds or below and no longer carry std cap magazines 'grandfathered in', thats real fked. Will it or will it not effect law enforcement on/off duty???.

Basically limited to single stack 1911s and neutered mag glocks and other double stacks, revolvers etc.
Legally:
I wouldn't F- with modifying magazines personally, the judge/prosecution could find a way to use that against you anyway they see fit in this S hole with stazi banana courts. They can change definitions and say whatever mod you did wasn't kosher. Its a losing proposition they can twist in their favor. They took down remington, what do you think will happen to you in court in some case where you used a big scary std 15rder? The courts and lawyers here in the marxist utopia of Oregon are already fully in bed with the anti gun lobby, UN, soros and other turds.
Not a lawyer so Id buy the 10rd ers to carry or switch platforms to be safe?...

Another question:
HOW about defending your property w/ std 30rd ar15 magazines or 15rd glock? Technically its 'your' property I fail to see how 114 would apply on your land in your domicile??

 

[ilikegunspdx]

You feel the weight that's for sure. Everything I've bought has worked, so I'm chalking them up as reliable.

Wow I'm glad you mentioned that deal because looking at their clearance list there are tons of good deals. Thx for the free ship code also!!!!

30 round Stribog mags for $9. 15-22 mags for $20. Splatter targets are 1/2 - 1/3 the price I've seen elsewhere. Low profile walker 31nrr muffs for $9. Excellent deals there! Much appreciated!

 

[Hooyah DeepSea]

To answer your questions; yes, 114 affects off-duty military and law enforcement, but not on-duty.

And, yes, you can carry anything you want on your private prorperty, just not off of it, except for a couple of exemptions.

 

[Koda]

With absolutely no aftermarket makes for a pistol this rare what do I do? DO I have to either damage my existing magazines so they can only hold 10rds or WHAT?

from what I understand so far, you can keep your existing mags but you cant use them outside the home unless at a shooting range.

If you carry your Astra pistol outside the home for whatever, you'll need to permanently modify one of your existing mags if you cant find one that only holds 10.

 

[DizzyJ]

No comment.

It may happen but it's few and far between. Nothing like before the law went into effect. Not to mention the risk you take getting caught, narced on or set up by an agent. Not worth it to me or most law abiding gun owners.

 

[1775usmc]

It may happen but it's few and far between. Nothing like before the law went into effect. Not to mention the risk you take getting caught, narced on or set up by an agent. Not worth it to me or most law abiding gun owners.

Gotta be wise in your dealings. I'll leave it at that.

 

[robertsjm711]

This was posted by the Linn County sheriff on FB:
Message from Sheriff Michelle Duncan on Ballot Measure 114:

Unfortunately, we are seeing the passage of Ballot Measure 114, which creates a required permitting system in order to purchase firearms AND bans gun magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds. This is a terrible law for gunowners, crime victims, and public safety.

I want to send a clear message to Linn County residents that the Linn County Sheriff's Office is NOT going to be enforcing magazine capacity limits.

This measure is poorly written and there is still a lot that needs to be sorted out regarding the permitting process, who has to do the training and what exactly does the training have to cover. In the coming days, I will work with other law enforcement partners, elected officials and community members on the best course of action to take on permitting. I want to ensure anything we do or don't do will not hinder gunowners' rights to purchase firearms, intentionally or unintentionally.

Although, I am hopeful that the passing of this measure will result in an immediate lawsuit against it, as it should, there is still going to be a lot to sort out on how this will impact our residents, the Linn County Sheriff's Office and other police agencies in Oregon.

I will continue to inform the public as decisions are made.

Sheriff Michelle Duncan

 

[robertsjm711]

This from Linn County Sheriff on FB:

Message from Sheriff Michelle Duncan on Ballot Measure 114:

Unfortunately, we are seeing the passage of Ballot Measure 114, which creates a required permitting system in order to purchase firearms AND bans gun magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds. This is a terrible law for gunowners, crime victims, and public safety.

I want to send a clear message to Linn County residents that the Linn County Sheriff's Office is NOT going to be enforcing magazine capacity limits.

This measure is poorly written and there is still a lot that needs to be sorted out regarding the permitting process, who has to do the training and what exactly does the training have to cover. In the coming days, I will work with other law enforcement partners, elected officials and community members on the best course of action to take on permitting. I want to ensure anything we do or don't do will not hinder gunowners' rights to purchase firearms, intentionally or unintentionally.

Although, I am hopeful that the passing of this measure will result in an immediate lawsuit against it, as it should, there is still going to be a lot to sort out on how this will impact our residents, the Linn County Sheriff's Office and other police agencies in Oregon.

I will continue to inform the public as decisions are made.

Sheriff Michelle Duncan

 

[ilikegunspdx]

... It's how we've ended up with a society where many people believe that they deserve (and ultimately become dependent on) the perception of safety & security provided by chosen masters, when in fact, that security is there to protect our rulers from us. There exists a nurtured belief that the individual's needs are outweighed by the needs of the collective. Asked: "Why do you need a firearm to protect yourself, when the King's men are better suited for the task?"

Excellent post and deserves a longer response but to stick to gun control,

Yep protestors Burning cop buildings and destroying business but as soon as anyone threatens them they demand the police be there to protect them. Saw that so many times during the riots. Also the anti gun crowd can see no reason why people would need guns. Or some say you only need a gun for hunting.

It's a core difference in ideology I think, they believe someone will be there to save you/take care of you vs be responsible for you and yours. Maybe it's because they've been in the sheltered world where someone always takes care of them and they get a prize always, even if they didn't try, because then its "fair" to everyone. Seems to me that idealogy won't change until the hard times (as you said) force them to see the world as it is, not as they think it should be.

 

[Tlock]

This from Linn County Sheriff on FB:

Message from Sheriff Michelle Duncan on Ballot Measure 114:

Unfortunately, we are seeing the passage of Ballot Measure 114, which creates a required permitting system in order to purchase firearms AND bans gun magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds. This is a terrible law for gunowners, crime victims, and public safety.

I want to send a clear message to Linn County residents that the Linn County Sheriff's Office is NOT going to be enforcing magazine capacity limits.

This measure is poorly written and there is still a lot that needs to be sorted out regarding the permitting process, who has to do the training and what exactly does the training have to cover. In the coming days, I will work with other law enforcement partners, elected officials and community members on the best course of action to take on permitting. I want to ensure anything we do or don't do will not hinder gunowners' rights to purchase firearms, intentionally or unintentionally.

Although, I am hopeful that the passing of this measure will result in an immediate lawsuit against it, as it should, there is still going to be a lot to sort out on how this will impact our residents, the Linn County Sheriff's Office and other police agencies in Oregon.

I will continue to inform the public as decisions are made.

Sheriff Michelle Duncan

I didn't vote for her but I like the way she is handling this problem so far in our county

 

[ilikegunspdx]

This was posted by the Linn County sheriff on FB:
Message from Sheriff Michelle Duncan on Ballot Measure 114:

Unfortunately, we are seeing the passage of Ballot Measure 114, which creates a required permitting system in order to purchase firearms AND bans gun magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds. This is a terrible law for gunowners, crime victims, and public safety.

I want to send a clear message to Linn County residents that the Linn County Sheriff's Office is NOT going to be enforcing magazine capacity limits.

This measure is poorly written and there is still a lot that needs to be sorted out regarding the permitting process, who has to do the training and what exactly does the training have to cover. In the coming days, I will work with other law enforcement partners, elected officials and community members on the best course of action to take on permitting. I want to ensure anything we do or don't do will not hinder gunowners' rights to purchase firearms, intentionally or unintentionally.

Although, I am hopeful that the passing of this measure will result in an immediate lawsuit against it, as it should, there is still going to be a lot to sort out on how this will impact our residents, the Linn County Sheriff's Office and other police agencies in Oregon.

I will continue to inform the public as decisions are made.

Sheriff Michelle Duncan

An island of common sense in a sea of idiotic policies. Damn refreshing!

 

[GDragich]

I want to send a clear message to Linn County residents that the Linn County Sheriff's Office is NOT going to be enforcing magazine capacity limits.

This is the key! Who is going to be enforcement of this and even the WA mag law? Is the State Patrol setting up roadblocks at state lines? No!
BUT- if they catch you on something like shooting on public land, they CAN use this

 

[Hooyah DeepSea]

SCORE ONE FOR THE GOOD GUYS (AND GALS).

 

[Alexx1401]

Interesting... does anyone have any clarity on what would pass as "permanent?" I'm just looking for the common sense options here.

It would be simple. For one unless you do something that is easy to see a temporary thing, easy to undo you will be fine. Some kind of epoxy and a block, so the mag can no longer be made to work as normal again would work. If they decide to make a "test case" out of someone at all it will be someone who tries to do some "work around" that is clearly made to be undone.

 

[Tlock]

I want to send a clear message to Linn County residents that the Linn County Sheriff's Office is NOT going to be enforcing magazine capacity limits.

This is the key! Who is going to be enforcement of this and even the WA mag law? Is the State Patrol setting up roadblocks at state lines? No!
BUT- if they catch you on something like shooting on public land, they CAN use this

I don't know if you know this but the Linn County Sheriff's department doesn't mess with us at all. Unless you really f up, the Sheriff's department is the last of my worries.

 

[Alexx1401]

Thank you. In regards to #3, does 114 outlaw conversion of a 17 round mag to 10 via round reduction device? A 10 round mag physically won't fit in my G45. I'd have to modify my 17 rounders or the firearm is useless.

Taking a quick look seems to be a lot of 10 round mags sold for the G45. So many states have gone to these mag bans it only makes sense that they would have been making 10 round mags for any guns that sell well. There will be a market for them.

 

[roguesam]

I, for one, am extremely disappointed in the sportsman's turnout in the election re: Measure 114. Another example of the citizenry in our Republic getting the government they deserve.

 

[IceAxRiflRvlvr]

Prior ownership.

Emphasis appears on "buying and selling".

Recreational activities, "...such as hunting...".

Uh...hiking in bear/mountain lion country or National Forests.

Wilderness.

National Parks.