Oregon Oregon measure 114

[PewPewDuckFan]

Yes I'm having problems too... everyone is checking in on 114 and scrambling to read the boards at the same time.

 

[Longwalkhome]

Pretty sure the last election we voted the Sherriff the power to not enforce unconstitutional gun laws, let's see what they do.

 

[PNWoakleaf]

Well, this is a disappointing showing for this forum. This is posted under the topic of Fire Arms and Legal and NOT I cosplay as a sovereign citizen. I understand the post-election anger, but now I'm kinda not surprised the measure passed given the immaturity of these initial responses.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Pretty sure the last election we voted the Sherriff the power to not enforce unconstitutional gun laws, let's see what they do.

Supposedly there are 11 or 12 counties in Oregon that have "2nd Amendment Protection Ordinances" and supposedly Constitutional sheriffs but....agreed, let's see what they actually do.. do they put their money and action where their talk is?

 

[wombatz]

Regarding the "Do not comply" idea...

When you carry concealed you must not think about the 99.999% of the time where nobody gets to count your rounds.

You carry with the idea that you many need to defend yourself.

I don't like the idea of complying with this but I *really* don't like the idea of being considered a criminal if I do have to defend myself. I trust the Klamath sheriff, but I don't want to push things.

I do plan to switch to 10 round carry if this mess goes into effect.

 

[The Heretic]

I doubt there will be any enforcement of mag capacity laws.

 

[Soli]

Just the latest step in the long march of the anti civil rights folx:

2000: Measure 5 BGC at gun shows
2015: SB941 BGC on all private sales
2016: Executive Order 16-12 State Police to maintain database of gun buyers
2018: Red flag law
2021: SB554 Safe storage law
2021: Preemption overruled, schools and other locations can ban CCW on premises
2022: Measure 114 Mag ban, permit to purchase and training required, no limit to what's in a state BGC, local LEO can arbitrarily deny permit to purchase

Relentless. Next up will be an "assault weapons" ban, my prediction.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Regarding the "Do not comply" idea...

When you carry concealed you must not think about the 99.999% of the time where nobody gets to count your rounds.

You carry with the idea that you many need to defend yourself.

I don't like the idea of complying with this but I *really* don't like the idea of being considered a criminal if I do have to defend myself. I trust the Klamath sheriff, but I don't want to push things.

I do plan to switch to 10 round carry if this mess goes into effect.

This will not affect what I carry in the slightest.

Also switching to a different gun during the temporary period when this unconstitutional law is passed and then thrown out by the courts seems really silly to me. But everyone has to do what they think is best for them.

 

[RedRover]

I doubt there will be any enforcement of mag capacity laws.

You're likely right, other than it being an add-on charge for a (illegal/prohibited person) firearm possession violation.

The real problem arises is when one is in a SD situation (outside of one's home), and it's discovered that one used a firearm with a restricted mag. Even if obviously justified, that'll make mounting a defense much more difficult, because in (their) theory 10 rounds is enough, and 15 meant that you had intent to murder the assailant.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Just the latest step in the long march of the anti civil rights folx:

2000: Measure 5 BGC at gun shows
2015: SB941 BGC on all private sales
2016: Executive Order 16-12 State Police to maintain database of gun buyers
2018: Red flag law
2021: SB554 Safe storage law
2021: Preemption overruled, schools and other locations can ban CCW on premises
2022: Measure 114 Mag ban, permit to purchase and training required, no limit to what's in a state BGC, local LEO can arbitrarily deny permit to purchase

Relentless. Next up will be an "assault weapons" ban, my prediction.

And it won't be on the ballot to be decided. It will have the "Emergency Clause" in it just like SB941....

 

[PewPewDuckFan]

New-ish member here, and haven't taken the time to post my member intro. I have been getting the word out about 114 and convincing everyone I know to vote "no" on this trash heap.

I've read the law, but I'm kind of a dummy and am confused by the wording. I know the basics, but have a few questions that I'm hoping smarter folks here can answer.

I have seen a lot of "DO NOT COMPLY" or "MOVE TO A FREE STATE" responses on these threads. That is an obvious option, and one I don't need help understanding. The point of my post is to get clarity on the options I DO have a hard time understanding.

Assuming I choose to remain a law-abiding Oregonian:

1. Any kind of grandfather clause for magazines? The law states: "As of the effective date of this 2022 Act, it shall be an affirmative defense, as provided in ORS 166.055, to the unlawful possession, use and transfer of a large-capacity magazine in this state by any person, provided that: (a) The large-capacity magazine was owned by the person before the effective date of this 2022 Act and maintained in the person's control or possession; What are they saying here?
2. I am a CWP holder. Any carve outs for me? Do I still need to apply for a permit?
3. WTF are people supposed to do with their 15+1 and 17+1 pistols?
4. I saw something about .22 magazines in the law being exempt? Am I misreading that?
5. What is the effective date? Can't find it anywhere in the law.

Thanks for your help!

 

[Camelfilter]

Well, this is a disappointing showing for this forum. This is posted under the topic of Fire Arms and Legal and NOT I cosplay as a sovereign citizen. I understand the post-election anger, but now I'm kinda not surprised the measure passed given the immaturity of these initial responses.

What immaturity? I can choose to continue carrying normal capacity magazines & risk a misdemeanor charge.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

You're likely right, other than it being an add-on charge for a (illegal/prohibited person) firearm possession violation.

The real problem arises is when one is in a SD situation (outside of one's home), and it's discovered that one used a firearm with a restricted mag. Even if obviously justified, that'll make mounting a defense much more difficult, because in (their) theory 10 rounds is enough, and 15 meant that you had intent to murder the assailant.

BS.

If you go practice with your gun you are practicing killing poeple.

If you have hollow points you are using special "poeple-killers"

It's all bullsheet you need to do what is right to protect yourself and not worry about bullsheet arguments a lawyer can make that will be shot down in court exactly the way they tried with Kyle Rittenhouse.

Living your life afraid of what some lawyer will accuse you of is no way to live. They can say you are a crazy killer because you are on a gun forum, member of a gun range, member of NRA, own a certain kind of gun etc etc. it is simply BS that will not stand up to scrutiny.

 

[arakboss]

1. You can keep your existing standard 10+ cap mags but only use them in certain places. Don't expect to be able to legally carry them in your EDC.

2. No Soup carve outs for you.

3. Buy 10rnd mags if you want to carry them.

4. I haven't heard of any rimfire mag exemptions?

5. Effective date unknown but could be 30 days, 6 months or longer.

 

[PewPewDuckFan]

1. You can keep your existing standard 10+ cap mags but only use them in certain places. Don't expect to be able to legally carry them in your EDC.

2. No Soup carve outs for you.

3. Buy 10rnd mags if you want to carry them.

4. I haven't heard of any rimfire mag exemptions?

5. Effective date unknown but could be 30 days, 6 months or longer.

Thank you. In regards to #3, does 114 outlaw conversion of a 17 round mag to 10 via round reduction device? A 10 round mag physically won't fit in my G45. I'd have to modify my 17 rounders or the firearm is useless.

 

[Uberdillo]

To the OP, you're correct. The behavior of all of the replies have been disrespectful. Sorry.

Some of you guys need to be reminded that the fight is out there, not with the poor bastards in our own community trying to ask questions. There are going to be a lot of them as they realize a fraction what this measure means (barring some drastic change in the count at this point).

I've tried to give it a read and just based on the text I agree with your conclusion. My interpretation is section E) stands on its own (b/c the preceding "and") so the mag itself needs its own lockbox while in transit.

 

[RedRover]

BS.

If you go practice with your gun you are practicing killing poeple.

If you have hollow points you are using special "poeple-killers"

It's all bullsheet you need to do what is right to protect yourself and not worry about bullsheet arguments a lawyer can make that will be shot down in court exactly the way they tried with Kyle Rittenhouse.

Living your life afraid of what some lawyer will accuse you of is no way to live. They can say you are a crazy killer because you are on a gun forum, member of a gun range, member of NRA, own a certain kind of gun etc etc. it is simply BS that will not stand up to scrutiny.

(Disclaimer: I presume that you know that you're speaking to the choir here.)


Contrarian answer to your post:

Well, if one lives in an Ivory Tower and can afford the best defense...

Not everyone has the means to keep Kyle Rittenhouse's defense staff on retainer, or may they be willing to rely on the luck of getting an 'understanding' judge to preside over one's case.


FWIW, Kyle would've gotten the shaft if he had a public defender representing him.

 

[DizzyJ]

I think , if you could check, you would find that many people you thought were "on our side" voted for this. By which I mean, guys who stand to rake in a fortune teaching these "gun safety classes and perhaps contracting to fulfill other functions required in the measure. Have that in the back of your mind next time you refer someone to a class or select one yourself. Meanwhile, watch who scrambles to be a street-level certifying authority. There is no love in my heart for those two-faced scoundrels who jump aboard the effort to make laws like this "work" by participating in any part of executing the law's requirements for profit.

I highly doubt this is the case. And I speak from an instructor standpoint. I know of zero other instructors who think this way. And yes if it passes people will scramble to get certified (if at all possible). This in no way shape or form means the instructors voted for this. As of right now we don't even know who or how they would be certified.

 

[Stomper]

This will not stand up to strict scrutiny within the courts. Be patient.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

(Disclaimer: I presume that you know that you're speaking to the choir here.)


Contrarian answer to your post:

Well, if one lives in an Ivory Tower and can afford the best defense...

Not everyone has the means to keep Kyle Rittenhouse's defense staff on retainer, or may they be willing to rely on the luck of getting an 'understanding' judge to preside over one's case.


FWIW, Kyle would've gotten the shaft if he had a public defender representing him.

Today before m114 passes if you legally carry a normal gun with 12 rounds let's say, you are normal. If M114 passes and you carry the same gun you are not somehow transformed into a psychotic killer. Any lawyer can debunk that kind of Bullsheet in court.

Now if today you were carrying a grenade launcher with stickers that say I want to kill everyone you would be at risk both before and after m114 passes, because you were being a dumbass.