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Murray signs gun sales tax

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Dave Workman, Aug 22, 2015.

  1. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  2. 41Slinger

    41Slinger Harrisburg Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    55 views and no comments, guess that says what we think of that stupid idea.
     
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  3. transittech

    transittech PDX Well-Known Member

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    Since when is the 2nd amendment legally subject to a luxury or sin tax??

    "progressive" and "open minded" my bubblegum! :mad::mad:
     
  4. Lance Jacobs

    Lance Jacobs South Willamette Valley Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I thought that Washington had a state preemption law that would make local ordinances like this illegal?? Is that not true?? Certainly someone who lives in Washington must have some info about that.

    Back in 1819, Chief Justice John Marshall declared in a famous US Supreme Court decision that: "the power to tax is the power to destroy".

    Simply by increasing this tax to prohibitive levels, the city can effectively end gun and ammo sales in the city, if they want to.

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  5. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    2A rights are NOT taxable.

    Where is the NRA and GOA on this?!
     
  6. Lance Jacobs

    Lance Jacobs South Willamette Valley Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I've seen some news reports claiming that legal challenges would be made. But I've yet to see anything from any gun rights groups saying that they were definitely going to go ahead and do so.

    Grandmothers Against Gun Violence was a key lobbying group that pressured the Seattle city council to pass the ordinance. They marched to city hall and demanded that the council put an end to gun violence.

    So the answer is to tax law abiding gun owners? Where is the logic in doing that?

    The world appears to have gone insane.


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  7. JSJPDX

    JSJPDX East Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

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    It is interesting that the stated goal is 300K-500K in annual tax revenue to fund prevention programs. Someone needs to send these folks back through a course in Economics 101. What they are doing is hammering two groups that can least afford it; small business owners and the lower income segment of the population. Anyone that can afford it will simply shop for a gun or ammunition outside of the city limits and will probably do their other shopping there as well while they're at it. Those that can't afford to travel simply will not be able to purchase a firearm or ammunition. Both scenarios are bad for the small business gun shops located within the city limits. Eventually they will be forced to move or close.
    So longer term you have fewer businesses within the city limits paying taxes and you have city residents doing their shopping outside of the city creating revenue and tax income for our cities. I would suspect that this new tax will cost the city more money than it will generate. But then, I've never known a liberal that met a tax they didn't like.
    As far as saving lives; restricting access has worked out really well for Chicago, LA, Washington, DC and on and on and on...add Seattle to the list.
     
  8. mkwerx

    mkwerx Forest Grove, OR Well-Known Member

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    Seattle - Detroit of the West Coast circa 2016 - I'm calling it...
     
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  10. Nightcrawler

    Nightcrawler Snohomish County, WA Active Member

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    Just catch a bus, or the light rail, down to Des Moines or Federal Way, or east over to Bellevue. Outdoor Emporium will likely lose a bit of business, being near Safeco Field. I know I'm finished shopping there for guns & ammo if this tax flies.
     
  11. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't work like that. It would suit their purposes best if you were tortured and then killed.
    shut up and pay up, buddy
     
  12. boogerhook

    boogerhook Seattle Well-Known Member

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    We need a "Gun owners against violence" movement. It's en vogue, and probably more honest.
     
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  13. Lance Jacobs

    Lance Jacobs South Willamette Valley Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Well, the tax does not go into effect until January 1, 2016. Hopefully the NRA or someone can figure out a way to try to sue to stop it before that.

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  14. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    So how much will the tax be ten years from now? Once they open the door the taxes can be as much as they want, look at cigarettes. Stand against it or bow to your rulers.o_O
     
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  15. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    New highly restrictive laws and new targeted taxes - at least they are consistent. These fools and the complete morons that continue to elect them actually believe laws and taxes will stop violence. Funny, because it was highly restrictive laws and targeted taxes that caused the rebellion against Britain that led to the colonies declaring independence from Britain and birthing the greatest nation in the world.

    I don't understand the nanny-state mentality that SO MANY Americans have these days. Perhaps having too many years of freedom from true oppression has weakened their puny little brains. Shame on everyone that continues to support this type of government over-reach.

    "Help me Mr./Mrs. Government! I need you to control and restrict every part of my life so I can maintain my illusion of safety, prosperity through more taxes and the freedom to smoke pot (so I'm too stoned to see what's really going on around me)! Only the government can save us!!!"

    We are in the crapper for sure :(
     
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  16. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Soylent Green is people.. and Idiocracy is real. lol

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    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I fear that you are correct, and I simply can't LOL at that :(
     
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  18. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    I know. "lols" are cheap, shallow and lazy but I try to not be a hard arse.. hence I'll throw those down just to make people think a bit. and to perhaps not get in trouble so often
    It's actually heartbreaking.
     
  19. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I didn't mean to come across critical of your "LOL" in any way (just in case it sounded that way). Just conveying my heartbreak over it too. Such a disappointing direction of things in this country right now, and knowing that folks are all too eager to give government nearly carte blanche to pull these stunts, I'm really quite shocked and definitely dismayed.
     
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  20. mkwerx

    mkwerx Forest Grove, OR Well-Known Member

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    Police chief you mean?

    Detroit is still a cess pool with high unemployment high crime and corrupt coty government - it is what seattle is headed for. Between their stupid taxes, $15/hr min wage bs, war on guns, and commies on the city council they actively trying to become the crime capitol of the west.
     
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