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modified serial number?

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by Rix, May 1, 2010.

  1. Rix

    Rix Tacoma Active Member

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    So I have a revelation 30-30 (marlin), and while I was looking around at serial number stuff (age and whatnot) I came to the realization that the serial number of this gun.... ISN'T.
    It's someone;s social security number.
    Now I bought the thing on the books, all legal like (pawn shop)

    If I take it back to them and the won't take it back for either a refund or in-store credit, should I be worried? can I get in trouble for this? if something untoward were to happen? (gun stolen, etc)
     
  2. Oro

    Oro Western WA Active Member

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    Yes, possession of a modern firearm with an altered or "obliterated" serial number is a felony. Does the place the s/n should be show obvious signs of being filed or etched away? That's a very serious problem.
     
  3. Rix

    Rix Tacoma Active Member

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    It looks about right. very close inpsection (that I didn't do until much later), and you can tell that it's not quite right.
     
  4. PinkhamR

    PinkhamR Altus, Oklahoma MSgt, USAF (Retired)-FFL Lifetime Supporter

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    Is this model old enough to have been produced before serial numbers were required? If so, then it appears someone just assigned their SSAN as one. JMO
     
  5. MrNiceGuy

    MrNiceGuy between springfield and shelbyville Well-Known Member

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    I have an old 30-30 bolt action that was produced before serial numbers were required. Back then, allot of people etched int their SSN's as ways to identify the rifle in case it was stolen.
     
  6. Oro

    Oro Western WA Active Member

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    Whoa. Let's get the facts straight. There's no such thing as a Marlin 336 old enough to not require a serial number. There's no exception in the USC for an older firearm. The penalty for obliterating a s/n applies to any firearm that ever had one. cf: 26 U.S.C. § 5861(g).

    The act of '68 required unique serial numbers on guns from a manufacturer, meaning different models could not run in the same number sequence. The requirement for serial numbers and penalty for defaced/obliterated ones exist LONG before that. It's even in the Federal Firearms act of 1938:

    (St. John's Law Review, Vol 13, 1939)

    There are a lot of people doing hard time in federal prisons for defaced firearms. Don't join them, or take your legal advice from unattributed anonymous internet posts. Furthermore, there's no exception in the relevant USC for older firearms.

    Now, none of this means that the firearm in question is actually illegal. Stolen firearms and firearms that have had their s/n obliterated can have one legally replaced by a gunsmith. Doesn't have to be the same number, but it does have to be stamped into the steel, not just scribed or etched. Not knowing what is on your firearm makes it hard to give any totally accurate advice. But I'm going to guess that since you bought it legally and it was presumably transferred via a dealer, the number that is on it was stamped in such a way that it passed cursory inspection. This implies it is placed on the gun in such a way that it looks permanent and unique. Sounds like it could be a legitimate replacement number.
     
  7. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    How about some pictures? Isn't the serial number on more than one spot?
     
  8. Rix

    Rix Tacoma Active Member

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    I'll see about getting some pics up.
    It's stamped in, good and hard.
     
  9. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    Just make sure and blur out the last few digits. If you don't have the means to do that contact me and I will alter the pics for you.
     
  10. madcratebuilder

    madcratebuilder Ardenwald, OR Well-Known Member

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    So the ten's of thousands mil-surps with electro penciled serial numbers are illegal?
     
  11. Oro

    Oro Western WA Active Member

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    Not if they are done deep enough. The BATF has a regulation about how deep they have to be. I do not have the exact requirement in front of me. I was trying to distinguish between a relatively permanent number vs one just scratched on and I did not make my intent clear enough.

    Sounds like you are OK, and especially if you filled out the 4473 at the store.
     
  12. Rix

    Rix Tacoma Active Member

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    It was done with full paperwork.
    I'm trying to get the pics up now.
     
  13. dragonsden73

    dragonsden73 Salem, Oregun Active Member

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    Any paperwork from pawnshop showing what they wrote down as a serial number? Maybe it isn't in an obvious place or something......they could get in serious trouble if handled wrong....
     
  14. Rix

    Rix Tacoma Active Member

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    I'm still trying to find the receipt, I think it got moved before one of our parties into the wrong spot :(

    Here's a picture

    (I hope)
    Removed last 2 of both sets of numbers.

    IMG_9681-mod.jpg
     
  15. bcp

    bcp SW WA Member

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    I've read that some Marlins also have the serial number on the side of the tang under the wood and that some buttstocks have the serial number from when they were fitted together before final finishing. Take off the buttstock and see if there is anything.

    All of the 336's I've owned had a letter as the first thing in the serial. The letter identifies the year made.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlin_336#Marlin_336_Year_of_Manufacture

    Bruce
     
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    Rix Tacoma Active Member

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    there is a different 5 digit number under the wood on the tang
    It doesn't say marlin on it, it's a western auto supply revelation 2000.
    Not sure if that matters or not.
     
  17. Rix

    Rix Tacoma Active Member

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    Looking around on the web, this number does NOT look right at all.
     
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    Rix Tacoma Active Member

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    OK, so, If the owner of the pawn shop won't give me my money back or in-store credit, what should I be doing?

    Or do I need to research and figure out if this thing is legal or not?
     
  19. torpedoman

    torpedoman land of corrupt politicians Member

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    what is the revelation model number. It may now be a marlin. have you bounced the revelation number against a good cross reference. Made before 68 no required serial number
    and many people did put their ssn on them for i.d. if stolen. a real common thing. I have no idea were oro came up woth the model number 336. one question you can pm me the answer if you wish - does the trigger move with the lever?
     
  20. Rix

    Rix Tacoma Active Member

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    It's a revelation 200
    trigger does not move with lever.