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Many of these guys become legends in their own minds.Do not worship "hero's", they never fail to disappoint.
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Many of these guys become legends in their own minds.Do not worship "hero's", they never fail to disappoint.
With jiggly jowels. Like a bulldog.Many of these guys become legions in their own minds.
No, it is BECAUSE of guys like this Larry Vickers (who I was blissfully ignorant of before this thread) is why there will be more antigun laws.Instead of acknowledging that, members here pile on the guy as if they are ATF fanbois. It is no surprise why we have all the antigun laws we do and why there will be more.
I noticed that as well, pathetic."All gun laws are unconstitutional."
Instead of acknowledging that, members here pile on the guy as if they are ATF fanbois. It is no surprise why we have all the antigun laws we do and why there will be more.
FFS dude, if you think you can comply yourself to more freedom, dream on.No, it is BECAUSE of guys like this Larry Vickers (who I was blissfully ignorant of before this thread) is why there will be more antigun laws.
Regardless of of how you believe 'ALL gun laws are unconstitutional' there are still laws that have to be followed and abided by. 'Thumbing one's nose' at the law and knowingly and intentionally breaking it for personal gain is NOT something Pro 2A. In this case it was something he did for his own selfish benefit however 'on the surface' of the article it appears the police chief (and the others) may have been 'materially involved' as well and not just used as a 'patsy'.
It is people like him who have twisted and convoluted the gun owing 'community' into something the antis use to their benefit to push for more anti gun laws.
This Vickers prick (and others like him) need to be slapped so many times they think they are surrounded...
And man-boobies with "dunlap disease".With jiggly jowels. Like a bulldog.
Oh, let me help you out with thatCan't say I've actually seen what laws were actually broken. They/he followed the law when obtaining the guns, they may have been at the very edge of what's legal, but it's still legal. IMO no different than 99.9% of people who have pistol braces to skirt the SBR laws.
...shall not be infringed:I guess it boils down to 2 seperate issues. For the first one which is what gets most people attention, an SOT (vickers) needed a love letter from a PD. He got one. Gun was purchased an put into SOT inventory. Again, all legal. Done by the book.i know several local SOTs that have done that exact thing.
Sounds to me like Vickers played the ATFs game and did so well, the ATF got butt hurt hence the conspiracy charge.
The other I guess I don't know enough details. Could be an ITAR violation, could just be a huge convoluted mess created by the ATF that would be very difficult for an individual to afford to get out of.
I mean the ATF has targeted people before for speaking their mind, and put them in prison for non firearm conspiracy reasons. Auto Key Card anyone??
OTOH, they also picked a time when he was weakened by both cancer and depression to make their move. Cancer care in the federal prison system? *roflmao*The bit that pisses me off if that he folded. If you are going to challenge the dragon you need to be all in. Take that sh*t to court and make them defend it. I agree that these laws have "constitutional issues", and I even advocate for pushing them to their breaking point (as with braces, bump stocks and binary triggers). But if you are going to push don't fold when it gets a little warm. That just pins you as a coward, willing to skirt the law as long as it benefits you, but willing to set horrible precedent for everyone else as soon as you are called out.
Vickers was an bubblegum, but sometimes an bubblegum is what you need. If he had been willing to stand and fight I would have rooted for him, and probably even tossed a few bucks his way for the legal fund. But he was not just an bubblegum, he was an bubblegum and a coward. That is not what we needed, and I hope he enjoys never having his 2A rights again.
So odd that he folded. It's almost as if he wasn't pushing back on an unconstitutional law but instead was knowingly acting criminally for his own benefit and realised he had no sound argument to present in court other than "because I wanted to and I didn't think I would get caught"The bit that pisses me off if that he folded. If you are going to challenge the dragon you need to be all in. Take that sh*t to court and make them defend it. I agree that these laws have "constitutional issues", and I even advocate for pushing them to their breaking point (as with braces, bump stocks and binary triggers). But if you are going to push don't fold when it gets a little warm. That just pins you as a coward, willing to skirt the law as long as it benefits you, but willing to set horrible precedent for everyone else as soon as you are called out.
Vickers was an bubblegum, but sometimes an bubblegum is what you need. If he had been willing to stand and fight I would have rooted for him, and probably even tossed a few bucks his way for the legal fund. But he was not just an bubblegum, he was an bubblegum and a coward. That is not what we needed, and I hope he enjoys never having his 2A rights again.
If what he was doing was at least close to how the story is written? Sure sounds like he was just thinking he was "getting over" on the law, not that he was trying to say the law was "wrong". Sure sounds like he was knowingly just committing fraud. Then when caught he decided to cut his losses. It did not sound to me like he was "taking on" the law.The bit that pisses me off if that he folded. If you are going to challenge the dragon you need to be all in. Take that sh*t to court and make them defend it. I agree that these laws have "constitutional issues", and I even advocate for pushing them to their breaking point (as with braces, bump stocks and binary triggers). But if you are going to push don't fold when it gets a little warm. That just pins you as a coward, willing to skirt the law as long as it benefits you, but willing to set horrible precedent for everyone else as soon as you are called out.
Vickers was an bubblegum, but sometimes an bubblegum is what you need. If he had been willing to stand and fight I would have rooted for him, and probably even tossed a few bucks his way for the legal fund. But he was not just an bubblegum, he was an bubblegum and a coward. That is not what we needed, and I hope he enjoys never having his 2A rights again.