Is this civil war starting?

[EHJ]

This goes back to my question about self defense posed on a different thread many moons ago. Does somebody who is doing something illegal give up their sense of self preservation? Maybe they should but most likely they don't unless they are looking to commit suicide by cop.

Who draws first vs who shoots first.
There's the gambit.
History gives a good example of life when one had to defend their own destiny.

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[CamoDeafie]

Could go big. .50cal 3 barrel gatling on Flyee 72.

Or 7.62 minigun on Nikolai e-utv

 

[EHJ]

Or 7.62 minigun on Nikolai e-utv
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Now this! This is perfect. And stealthy - until its not.

 

[Dinglenutz]

We should look at this event as if the situation was reversed. Let's say we were having a Trump rally down the middle of the street and a perceived Antifa driver attempts to plow through the crowd. He stops, then jumps out, begins arguing and pointing a firearm while threatening to shoot us. Would all of us have walked away or would some have attempted to disarm the driver?

I'd feel the same - blocking traffic is no good unless there are permits and police escorts.

 

[Dinglenutz]

Hmm, interesting opinion for sure.

Here's the thing though, the roles were not reversed. Because one side doesn't do the block free travel thing.

In my opinion.

That

 

[BLUE COLLAR IRONS]

People at Trump rallies tend not to behave like anarchists. They don't block streets or highways and or terrorize traffic or people eating dinner. One can go on endlessly with the what if's and what about's but it's a night and day issue.

That's because conservatives are civilized. Liberalism changes the brain. It re-wires it. It makes people use emotion to guide decisions as opposed to facts and logic like conservatives do. Liberalism is almost like brain cancer.

 

[RVTECH]

The point I was trying to make is that the mob may have felt they were within their right to be in street (many do these days) and that they were being threatened.

These 'mob' participants most likely felt 'threatened' from the time they woke up that morning. Showing up armed indicates this and by being armed they are in effect, 'forcing' there will on the citizens.

This is nothing more than a violent demonstration of the standard lib mentality to force their beliefs with zero acceptance other ideas or opinions.

I am dealing with a ultra lib family member who constantly texts me his opinions and beliefs but they are all saying essentially the same thing - the left is right and conservatives and repubs are WRONG.

Recently he told me how all the conservative news stations should have their licenses revoked due to the 'conspiracy theories, disinformation and anti-democracy they broadcast'

I would LOVE to respond and say, 'Ok so we eliminate the conservative news stations and what are we left with? The conspiracy theories, disinformation and anti-democracy broadcast by the remaining MSM?

Bottom line is the left fails to consider there are probably as many ( and maybe more) conservatives who are diametrically opposed to what they say, and have their own opinions and beliefs.

Its nothing more than the old story we (as conservatives) are 'Entitled to their opinion and not ours' .

 

[Dinglenutz]

The point I was trying to make is that the mob may have felt they were within their right to be in street

They would be wrong. The root of this issue is that no one has yet effectively disabused them of this notion.

 

[arakboss]

"Recently he told me how all the conservative news stations should have their licenses revoked due to the 'conspiracy theories, disinformation and anti-democracy they broadcast'"

"You also see which kind of institutions the Soviet Union was most interested in. For example, everywhere that the Red Army went, one of the first things they did was take over the radio station. They believed very much in propaganda, in the power of propaganda and they believed that if they just could reach the masses by what was then the most efficient means possible, namely the radio, then they would be able to convince them and then they would be able to take and hold power."
Source: https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...ver-eastern-europe-after-world-war-ii/263938/



It's already happening with cancel culture which is another tool in the socialist arsenal.

 

[arakboss]

They would be wrong. The root of this issue is that no one has yet effectively disabused them of this notion.

Many protest and mobs have taken over streets (without permits) for many decades, maybe centuries. Don't be surprised if even some of the neighbors in the area were fine with this protest. Evidently it has been a weekly event for some period of time.

The question is are drivers legally allowed to plow through crowds if the crowds are illegally occupying the streets. My guess would be, no.

 

[Aero Denezol]

The YT channel, Salty Cracker, referred to Portland as, White Somalia, after this week. Pointing out, this was on a Thursday. A few weeks back in Portland another channel showed a park and adjoining intersection being set up for an ambush.

Those videos are deeply troubling. IMO they want to provoke a violent response, in order to gain legitimacy.

How long can good people continue to tolerate this chaos?

What an embarrassment for Oregon.

 

[Dinglenutz]

The question is are drivers legally allowed to plow through crowds if the crowds are illegally occupying the streets. My guess would be, no.

Should be. Surrounding a vehicle and preventing the occupants travelling unmolested is at least false imprisonment and possibly rises to kidnapping. I'm not saying *I* would do it, but plowing them down should def be legal.

 

[EHJ]

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The question is are drivers legally allowed to plow through crowds if the crowds are illegally occupying the streets. My guess would be, no.

Make it a game.
Again.

 

[CRBMoA]

Pretty sure physically blocking a car is at least some form of harrasment, and I personally would consider it an attempt at containment.

I ain't gettin' out, and you ain't gettin' in.

My point being, if'n you are willing to 'detain' someone, you are engaging in a lawless activity that may get you runned over.

My parents had their faults, but at least they taught me not to play in the road.

 

[arakboss]

Pretty sure physically blocking a car is at least some form of harrasment, and I personally would consider it an attempt at containment.

I ain't gettin' out, and you ain't gettin' in.

My point being, if'n you are willing to 'detain' someone, you are engaging in a lawless activity that may get you runned over.

My parents had their faults, but at least they taught me not to play in the road.

Unfortunately lately many drivers, maybe most who have decided to plow through have been charged with a crime. It's a messed up world where some violent armed mob can attempt to stop you and you get charged with a crime for not stopping.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

Have the bandits been IDed or arrested yet?

 

[cigars]

Pretty sure physically blocking a car is at least some form of harrasment, and I personally would consider it an attempt at containment.

I ain't gettin' out, and you ain't gettin' in.

My point being, if'n you are willing to 'detain' someone, you are engaging in a lawless activity that may get you runned over.

My parents had their faults, but at least they taught me not to play in the road.

Apparently none of these Marxist kids parents ever told them not to play in traffic.

 

[Dinglenutz]

Unfortunately lately many drivers, maybe most who have decided to plow through have been charged with a crime. It's a messed up world where some violent armed mob can attempt to stop you and you get charged with a crime for not stopping.

I think running headlong through people in the street is at least morally questionable. Trying to ease through and allowing them to also do the right thing and step aside for a moment should be fine, and if they don't cooperate, slowly pushing them should also be fine. They're being idiots and violating your rights.

If they then opt to escalate by actually attacking, full throttle is IMO justified completely.

Avoidance is still the wise man's move.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Unfortunately lately many drivers, maybe most who have decided to plow through have been charged with a crime. It's a messed up world where some violent armed mob can attempt to stop you and you get charged with a crime for not stopping.

Because technically... (there. Thats what lawyers thrive on ) pedestrians, cyclists and livestock have the right of way on all public roadways

 

[Xaevian]

Just drive a Prius if you want to do some mob bashing, that way you can have the smug satisfaction of saving the planet at the same time.