Is this civil war starting?

[Ridge Walker]

That seems a little harsh. They could have smoked the driver, if they had wanted to. They would have loved it if the driver fired at them. They are craving this publicity and are looking for ways to project strength. I believe that is why we are seeing more them being armed.

Isn't there a way to restore sanity, preserve Liberty, and stop the Fall? Or must we descend into the muck to destroy Evil once again?

By the end will all here have to become 'Rooftop Koreans' to preserve our lives and nation? Surely we can find a way to stop this wild conflagration.

 

[Stomper]

We'll make great pets…..

 

[Andy54Hawken]

I have been in two different countries and their "Civil Wars".
You do want that to happen in America.

Betrayal , reprisal , seemingly never ending "eye for an eye" so called vengeance....
And the "Winners" will inherit a ever more divided , broken country.

It is very easy to spout off with macho sounding BS over the internet , from the comfort of your chair.
Its whole other thing to have to live and experience war / combat.

I know what I have done in my four combat tours...and I hope to never again have to use what I learned from them to stay alive....I will do so...but I hope and pray that never comes to pass.
Andy

 

[nwslopoke]

We may all have our differences in opinions, preferences, politics, etc, but a life is a precious thing. Everyone has their families and/or friends. They are someone's brother/sister/son/daughter/spouse/hero. They enjoy life in their own way and have their own goals and aspirations. If we descend so far into the depths of division that we are willing to take that life from someone, from a fellow American, from a fellow human being, we have failed each other and ourselves. We will have lost our soul as a nation.

I pray I never see a civil war break out in this country. Can there be any bigger mark of failure as human beings than turning on your fellow countrymen because you are unable to resolve your differences in a non-violent fashion? Even if "your side" won, the cost would be incalculable in more ways than just the loss of life.

Preaching to the choir. I've seen two recent videos from Portland and Salem where the police watched the victims be victimized, start to defend themselves from the mob then take the victim into custody.

Blocking people's freedom of movement used to be arrestable. I worked with a guy in LA who did time for holding his girlfriend. It was called kidnapping.

 

[jayR]

I dropped this link in another thread, but seems so relevant that I'll put it here too.

 

[Aero Denezol]

I don't see an armed Civil War, because life is still way too cozy for most people. However I could see the Union legally dissolving at some point. Maybe turning into something like the EU. Most of the dyed in the wool leftists (yes I said it) that I know in Oregon have zero nostalgia for the United States. I don't think they would lose a moment's sleep if, for example, Florida became independent.

 

[Stomper]

I don't see an armed Civil War, because life is still way too cozy for most people. However I could see the Union legally dissolving at some point. Maybe turning into something like the EU. Most of the dyed in the wool leftists (yes I said it) that I know in Oregon have zero nostalgia for the United States. I don't think they would loose a moment's sleep if, for example, Florida became independent.

Not true…. They'd beatch and moan if they needed a passport and visa to go to "Disney Whirled" and the price or oranges skyrocketed from import/export tarrifs…..

 

[dmatzinger]

It would be interesting to see the unedited version of the video, and see if it turns the narrative,
I bet it would show the guys was harrasered for far longer than this 15 second clip.

as an armed citizen, I would not pull my weapon unless I intended to use it, but than again I don't put my self in those situation in the first place,

Portland and it's politics are a shirt hole in my opinion, and I simply do not partake,

i will remain in the west subherbs until next summer when I leave oregon.

Oregon was a beautiful place that provided the path to all my dreams and wants in life, when I cam here 20 years ago, and now I can't stand it, ( Portland proper, and the states government)

I tell my sons, if the police detained you, just comply, request your attorney, and we can sort out what ever it is you are detained for.

I think in any of these case that have torn our nation apart, If the "victim" would have complied, they would be a live today.

form those who think it's a violation of their rights to have to comply, you should have it put on your tombstone, that although you lie there dead, " I was with in my rights"

and the rest of us will live on

 

[Bill Siegle]

We'll make great pets…..

Once we're spayed and neutered

 

[drstrangelove]

Once we're spayed and neutered

Don't worry, the vaccine did that for you.

 

[Member 34319]

I have been in two different countries and their "Civil Wars".
You do want that to happen in America.

Betrayal , reprisal , seemingly never ending "eye for an eye" so called vengeance....
And the "Winners" will inherit a ever more divided , broken country.

It is very easy to spout off with macho sounding BS over the internet , from the comfort of your chair.
Its whole other thing to have to live and experience war / combat.

I know what I have done in my four combat tours...and I hope to never again have to use what I learned from them to stay alive....I will do so...but I hope and pray that never comes to pass.
Andy

Wisdom right here. Thanks as always for the perspective Andy!

US goes into a civil war, it will be ugly. I imagine just about every foreign nation will be "involved" which won't help.

While I don't think it will happen in my lifetime, this country will eventually separate into smaller nations in time. I don't wish to be alive when that happens.

 

[nwslopoke]

Before the thread is locked, with the rise of gun ownership and the proliferation of guns with the peaceful protesters, I couldn't see in the video if rifles had sights or not. I haven't seen any of the types with likely stickers on vehicles at ranges, ect.

Curious how they come by their mob tactics. Usually a wheelchair bound provocateur and a bicyclist or skateboarder near by as they instigate a confrontation. Now the 2nd video where they are stealing guns from citizens. Really just a bad ambush but effective because no one has been shot yet. Like the NFAC who shot themselves more times than not it is just a matter of time where someone gets a new hole or two.

Are these outsiders or locals and does anyone see any level of competency?

 

[Mark]

Kinda reminds me of a time 100-200yrs ago when nations became crippled under the weight of new liberal ideas (eventually culminating in to communism) that tore once strong empires apart. History really does repeat itself.

 

[arakboss]

Before the thread is locked, with the rise of gun ownership and the proliferation of guns with the peaceful protesters, I couldn't see in the video if rifles had sights or not. I haven't seen any of the types with likely stickers on vehicles at ranges, ect.

Curious how they come by their mob tactics. Usually a wheelchair bound provocateur and a bicyclist or skateboarder near by as they instigate a confrontation. Now the 2nd video where they are stealing guns from citizens. Really just a bad ambush but effective because no one has been shot yet. Like the NFAC who shot themselves more times than not it is just a matter of time where someone gets a new hole or two.

Are these outsiders or locals and does anyone see any level of competency?

john brown clubs:

'I Am Antifa': One Activist's Violent Death Became A Symbol For The Right And Left

President Trump and his supporters portray antifa as the left's equivalent to deadly far-right extremists. Domestic terrorism data show just one fatality is linked to antifa — the attacker himself.

www.npr.org

 

[arakboss]

Before the thread is locked, with the rise of gun ownership and the proliferation of guns with the peaceful protesters, I couldn't see in the video if rifles had sights or not. I haven't seen any of the types with likely stickers on vehicles at ranges, ect.

Curious how they come by their mob tactics. Usually a wheelchair bound provocateur and a bicyclist or skateboarder near by as they instigate a confrontation. Now the 2nd video where they are stealing guns from citizens. Really just a bad ambush but effective because no one has been shot yet. Like the NFAC who shot themselves more times than not it is just a matter of time where someone gets a new hole or two.

Are these outsiders or locals and does anyone see any level of competency?

Believe it or not there are going to be ex-military in these groups as well. Socialist come from all walks.

 

[BlindedByScience]

Armed mobs roaming the streets can be dealt with, if there's the will. That's the problem..... As far as downtown PDX goes....we don't go there anymore, and haven't for some time. Avoiding problems is always the best path forward.

No one wants civil war....the full blown horror of an internal war would be devastating to everyone involved. Don't mistake that as cowardice.....rather an acknowledgement of what a real civil war would look like.

Until people make meaningful changes at the ballot box, nothing will change. I worry about my country.....

 

[CRBMoA]

Hmm, interesting opinion for sure.

Here's the thing though, the roles were not reversed. Because one side doesn't do the block free travel thing.

In my opinion.

QFT and to also point out that it is a false equivalency to say Trump supporters (politically active citizens) and Antifreaks (looters, rioters and murderers) are one in the same.

Those are not only two different groups - they are born of different parents. One is voicing an opinion. The other is enforcing theirs.

 

[Bat-S-Crazy]

The only thing that will get the politicians to take note and actually take care of the law breaking faction blocking traffic with guns is if we refuse to go there and spend our hard earned dollars. I have vowed to never spend another cent in PDX until they get off their arsses and affect real change and consequence for the actions of the few. What about you?

 

[RVTECH]

Unfortunately a lot of the protester/citizen encounters are reminiscent of what precipitated the 'Greensboro massacre' in 1979.

While there were no doubt some differences with the groups involved the essential reasons are the same, IE the right against the left.

I certainly do NOT want to see any violence but I am surprised with all the encounters that have taken place is has NOT happened - yet....

 

[arakboss]

The only thing that will get the politicians to take note and actually take care of the law breaking faction blocking traffic with guns is if we refuse to go there and spend our hard earned dollars. I have vowed to never spend another cent in PDX until they get off their arsses and affect real change and consequence for the actions of the few. What about you?

I don't think PDX politicians care much about that type of thing these days. Socialism isn't much concerned with the woes of the capitalist enterprises.