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OUCH!Save yourself the trouble Jaime. Just rub a cheese grater over your junk for a bit, it's less painful than "debating" with JGRuby
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OUCH!Save yourself the trouble Jaime. Just rub a cheese grater over your junk for a bit, it's less painful than "debating" with JGRuby
Heck I think outch to that as well.
I am shocked at the total number of grey wolves - estimated if correct to be beween 52000 to 60000 in North America only 9000 in the US.. However given that we have less than our fair share here in the state of Oregon - I support the reintroduction of wolves into Oregon - the were here first and due to the ranchers, farmers and trappers greed they would still be here from the initial group. I for one am tired of seeing nature destroyed by the greed of a few men to justify thier own personal gain.
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James Ruby
Suppose somebody came by and slashed all your tires and broke all the windows in your house about once a month. Furthermore, suppose that you watched them do it and the local police told you that not only couldn't they arrest the perpetrators, but you aren't allowed to do anything about it, and if you did they would arrest you, not the perpetrators. Suppose that things were this way because some other people used to live where you do now, and it's really their land, even though you bought it, and that their ancestors were there first. How would you feel? Eastern Oregon ranchers cannot afford to lose a $2000 steer once a month any more than you can replace all your tires and windows once a month. Would you be OK with the government telling you to just walk away from your property and your home? Didn't think so...
Again the destruction of nature for the benefit of a few men.
James Ruby
The wolves and cougars didn't get the memo from the ODFW about how many deer, elk, and cattle they are allowed to harvest in a given year (if they draw a tag).Thats why we have game management. There are lots of places in this country that do not have to kill off a species to make a living.
I dont know what killed them - I am assuming not wolf's.
James Ruby
I don't think that is what he is saying JG.Orygun - if you dont want to read what I write that is your option but to tell me what i can write about is not. Again if you dont like my opinions ignore my posts. Your option. Basically you are trying to control my freedom of speech as I see it. It aint going to happen.
James Ruby
Orygun - if you dont want to read what I write that is your option but to tell me what i can write about is not. Again if you dont like my opinions ignore my posts. Your option. Basically you are trying to control my freedom of speech as I see it. It aint going to happen.
This is pretty simple:
Wolves are here first
Men move in and find competition from wolves
Men kill off wolves
Certain men try to recitfy a wrong and reintroduce the wolf.
Wolf are not wanted by other men due to personal gain.
These same men claim many different but untrue claims against the wolf.
These same men now try to eradicate the wolf a second time.
Saner men try to prevent this eradication.
James Ruby
JGR: You are entitled to your own opinions, however you are not entitled to your own reality. Facts are facts, and when you manufacture your own version of the truth it's impossible to hold a conversation with you.
My extended family owns around 10,000 acres. We don't use "open range". The land in question and the livestock on it are private property, all of which is fenced and gated. Your contention that cattlemen like their cattle in the road so they can get hit and the rancher can collect damages is just plain silly. What planet do you live on? And we don't "rent" hunting rights. We can't let anyone who is non-family use the property for hunting or other activities for fear of lawsuits. We don't have grazing leases anywhere else.
Here's a question for anyone else who's interested (I know I'll just get nonsense from JGR): If the wolves are the property of the State of Oregon (as I'm sure they legally are), and they come onto my private property and kill my livestock, which is also my property, isn't the State of Oregon responsible for the damage their livestock does to mine? Isn't feeding their wolves my livestock, and their wolves making my real estate useless a "taking" of private property for public use?
5th Amendment to the US Constitution: "No person shall be...deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
The State of Oregon has now suspended any restitution for losses of livestock to wolves due to budgetary constraints. Prior to that it was nearly impossible to prove that a wolf did the damage (which is required for restitution) without seeing it actually attacking the animal. If the State of Oregon can't or won't compensate ranchers for losses of livestock and real estate value, then it seems to me that ranchers would be within their rights under the US Constitution to prevent those losses by any means necessary.