I used my gun and fired 3 warning shot in Weeding, CA

[Benny503]

BTW: I do admit that warning shot should be avoid as much as posible. I thought about it too but when I removed my firearm, but my command voice doesn't seem to get in that guy head. There are a lot of things running through my mind at that time. I remember I was thinking of using my flash light make him blind... but I thought nah, that just pissed him off more and he will run into me and we have to hand combat I will loose because he is bigger then me, and I am out of number. Maybe one of this buddy will pick up my handgun and shoot me.

 

[tionico]

I was asking about the legal hassle of transporting a gun into and out of california. Last I checked it was against the law. But, as the gangbangers say, Rather be caught with it then without it.

no, its not against the law... but there are requirements, limits, restrictions. Gun must be empty and locked in a hard case with no ammo at all in same case. Ammo must be in separate case (though they CAN be close to each other. Gun should not be accessible to driver's position... but whatcha gonna do with a fan or an open pickup?

Interesting open unloaded carry is legal. Anyone catch how close ammo can be? Can I carry the pistol in a belt holster, empty, with a loaded mag in a pouch on the same holster? Or on the other side?

Those guys down there are crazy..... the legislators want everyone to be wimps, unarmed, "peaceful", and thus have made it almost impossible to use arms to any significant benefit. SO-- the creeps have free reign, being able to play the monsters easily on the assumption every normal person is unarmed. Call 911.. yeah, right. Benny, how long did it take for them to get there? You could have been a pile of broken bones in the parking lot, and our parents on top of you, in the time it took LE to arrive. and my guess is they were on the double-quick, knowing there was a gun there, and that it had already been fired.

I think you handled it well.... the only dicey part was firing into the air rather than the ground. If I had some creeps like those coming toward me I'd move to where I'm standing over soft ground, not macadam or concrete. IF possible, anyway. I don't think I'd fire more than one warning round, though...."OK, first one's to let you know this thing is loaded and it works. Next round I fire will HIT one of you. Now BACK OFF." Same warning about getting too close to the car with your parents in it.

So, like they say "out there".. all's well that ends well. No one got hurt, no one went to jail (though I still think at least the two drunkest rowdies should have..... bad cops!!) Hey, they even let you escape with your "dangerous evil weapon". Sounds like the Chips were professional, and worked hard to defuse the situation,l make sure everyone was alright and would stay that way, and that there were no serious crimes committed (although I'd have a real hard time agreeing if they'd decided to bust you for some firearm violation "cause they could". I'd wager they had SOMETHING on you, real or imagined... nastier cops maybe would have pressed that. Or at least taken your gun.

I was also impressed that they escorted you for some distance... on the chance the creeps decided to come round and finish their work. I'd feel REAL nervous about leaving that rest stop, knowing those bullies were on the same road and mad at me.

One thing I do, though... I used to drive truck, and always felt safe at the travel rest stops. Driving a car, when I need to stay at one of those for a while, I will often pull up in between a couple of rigs over on that side, or perhaps tuck in behind a motor home/travel trailer. I'm sure if shooting started near those rigs, half a dozen drivers would take out their own weapons and come see what's up. "Over there" is far enough they could ignore it. In between their rigs, they'd get involved pretty quickly. I have heard most truckers pack..... legal or not, and the cops all know it and don't care. Canadians can't, though, illegal to have handguns. Maybe some do anyway, just keep them "disappeared" when they come to the border.

some lessons to be learned, and things to ponder, for all of us.. thanks so much for bringing this to the forum. valuable stuff.

 

[Benny503]

Anyway I am glad that I am OK and my parents are OK! There is no law suit of any legal matter after a few months. My parents are always affraids of guns because they brainwashed by the communist that noone should own gun. Only the cops and maffia own guns. After this incedent they are OK with guns


Oh here is another irony.... that same night that happen to me and my parents in california. My gf's brother in-law got beat up by two guys and one girl here in Grants Pass. My gf's brother in-law was in the living-room watching TV around midnight, his wife (my gf's older sister) and her 8 years old boy in the bedroom appartment sleeping.
She heared the noise at the window, and look up there was a shaddow at her window. She ran out and told her husband, her husband is a big guy, 5'9" very muscular (not to be racist but he is german/italian) well know here in Grants Pass.

He decided to walk outside and talk to the shadow. Once he encountered the shadow he reallize this guy still young and around mid 30. He scream "hey, what are you doing there?" The guy give no respond and run toward the street, he chased the guy didn't even know the young guy have someone with him. The other guy tackled my gf's brother inlaw down and the girl yank his hair while other jump in for attack. Luckily my gf's sister came out and yelling screaming. Those people let him go and took off in a car near by. They call the cops the cops came get the report and hear nothing back. I think he called and check but the polices didn't arrest get anyone. I just worry for the little boy because after that happen everytime see people around his appartment and he get really scare. If his dad outside talking in loud tone he inside start to cry because he thought those bad guys coming back for revenge, I dont know where he got the revenge idea from but it seem stuck into his mind.

 

[spengo]

I think I may have ended up firing warning shots in that situation as well when I think about it. I mean, I wouldn't want to shoot an unarmed guy even if he was bigger and stronger than me. When he keeps coming after you have drawn the gun? What do you do then? Sometimes running away is not an option so you're pretty much stuck with either firing a warning shot or shooting him right there.

 

[kenr74]

In a situation where no other weapons are present but there is a threat I see no problem firing a warning shot in a safe direction. It sends a message that you are serious without having to actually put a hole in somebody. If a warning shot doesn't stop them from approaching then you know that it is about to get serious fast.

If they also had weapons though I would just skip the warning shot and start stopping the threat.

 

[tionico]

seems its time for your brother in law to learn about defensive weapons.....

 

[marksman]

After twenty-five years of handling firearms I have little tolerance for stupidity from those who carry guns. Benny endangered the public by his action of firing his pistol in the air with no regard to where those bullets were going to come down.

Please remember gentlemen that if you had been in the area of those shots and one had hit you or a love one, you would not be as forgiving.

I have seen this happen... fear is no excuse for an action of this sort. Also if one of those bullets had struck someone imagine what the anti-gun groups would have done through the media.

 

[spengo]

After twenty-five years of handling firearms I have little tolerance for stupidity from those who carry guns. Benny endangered the public by his action of firing his pistol in the air with no regard to where those bullets were going to come down.

Please remember gentlemen that if you had been in the area of those shots and one had hit you or a love one, you would not be as forgiving.

I have seen this happen... fear is no excuse for an action of this sort. Also if one of those bullets had struck someone imagine what the anti-gun groups would have done through the media.

What if he was standing over a rocky surface or something else really hard? Ricochets are even worse than the chance of the bullet falling down on someone. As for firing warning shots at all, what would you suggest doing if you've drawn your gun and an unarmed assailant continues to move forward? It does suck but I really can't think of any better response than firing warning shots. :/

 

[roguebowhunter]

After twenty-five years of handling firearms I have little tolerance for stupidity from those who carry guns. Benny endangered the public by his action of firing his pistol in the air with no regard to where those bullets were going to come down.

Please remember gentlemen that if you had been in the area of those shots and one had hit you or a love one, you would not be as forgiving.

I have seen this happen... fear is no excuse for an action of this sort. Also if one of those bullets had struck someone imagine what the anti-gun groups would have done through the media.

so just shoot them ? if his voice isn't detering them ???Don

 

[gunnoob75]

Firing warning shots was his only play.

Good on him.

 

[Trlsmn]

After twenty-five years of handling firearms I have little tolerance for stupidity from those who carry guns. Benny endangered the public by his action of firing his pistol in the air with no regard to where those bullets were going to come down.

Please remember gentlemen that if you had been in the area of those shots and one had hit you or a love one, you would not be as forgiving.

I have seen this happen... fear is no excuse for an action of this sort. Also if one of those bullets had struck someone imagine what the anti-gun groups would have done through the media.

Marksman you were not in this situation so you can't say what you would have done. It's easy to Monday morning quarterback and have all the answers after the fact but if you weren't there your opinion isn't very relevant as there are lots of factors you don't, and can't know. The stupid people in this incident were the two bullies not Benny503.

Since we're Monday morning quarterbacking, from your demeanor my guess is you would have shot them and preceded to tell us how superior your handling of the situation was!

 

[chiefchip]

Marksman you were not in this situation so you can't say what you would have done. It's easy to Monday morning quarterback and have all the answers after the fact but if you weren't there your opinion isn't very relevant as there are lots of factors don't, and can't know. The stupid people in this incident were the two bullies not Benny503.

Since we're Monday morning quarterbacking, from your demeanor my guess is you would have shot them and precede to tell us how superior your handling of the situation was!

+1

 

[marksman]

Marksman you were not in this situation so you can't say what you would have done. It's easy to Monday morning quarterback and have all the answers after the fact but if you weren't there your opinion isn't very relevant as there are lots of factors don't, and can't know. The stupid people in this incident were the two bullies not Benny503.

Since we're Monday morning quarterbacking, from your demeanor my guess is you would have shot them and precede to tell us how superior your handling of the situation was!

I would have handled the situation in the ways I stated. My comments come from years of handling these types of problems. Also I don't brag or claim to be superior in handling myself or firearms, but after reading what has been written by others on this subject I was better trained.

I think I have spent too much time on this thread.

But I will say it again, Warning shots in any situation are not acceptable!

 

[gunnoob75]

I would have handled the situation in the ways I stated.

You never stated how you would handle it. You've been asked, though.

Also I don't brag or claim to be superior in handling myself or firearms, but after reading what has been written by others on this subject I was better trained.

"I'm not saying I'm better than you, but you're no where near as good as I am."

But I will say it again, Warning shots in any situation are not acceptable!

His two other options were to stand there and get assaulted, possibly getting his gun taken and used against him, or to shoot the attacker and maybe spend life in prison.

 

[Trlsmn]

I would have handled the situation in the ways I stated. My comments come from years of handling these types of problems. Also I don't brag or claim to be superior in handling myself or firearms, but after reading what has been written by others on this subject I was better trained.

I think I have spent too much time on this thread.

But I will say it again, Warning shots in any situation are not acceptable!

What I am saying is that people are not robots and that no one is perfect, especially under stress.

Lets look at the four police officers shot and killed in Seattle by one crazy gunman. Those police officers were highly trained yet they are just as dead.

Marksman you are welcome to state and debate your opinion till the cows come home but do it with style and class, "Fool" and "Stupid" show neither!

 

[spengo]

I would have handled the situation in the ways I stated. My comments come from years of handling these types of problems. Also I don't brag or claim to be superior in handling myself or firearms, but after reading what has been written by others on this subject I was better trained.

I think I have spent too much time on this thread.

But I will say it again, Warning shots in any situation are not acceptable!

Actually I don't think you have said anything about how you would have handled it even though I asked. It's a very real concern of mine as I am about to start carrying. I am not flaming you in any way, I seriously want to know if there is a better solution than warning shots in that type of situation. :huh:

Also I don't brag or claim to be superior in handling myself or firearms, but after reading what has been written by others on this subject I was better trained.

Ok... I have to make a little fun of you for this one Mr. Internet Tough Guy. Srs bzns and all that.

 

[arjunki]

What if he was standing over a rocky surface or something else really hard? Ricochets are even worse than the chance of the bullet falling down on someone. As for firing warning shots at all, what would you suggest doing if you've drawn your gun and an unarmed assailant continues to move forward? It does suck but I really can't think of any better response than firing warning shots. :/

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It was suggested to me on another thread to carry a non-lethal weapon such as pepper spray when in a situation against an unarmed attacker. But I would say that is far from perfect too especially in a case such as this one with multiple potential attackers. Probably really just get the others so damn PO'd and they go for their guns too or who knows what? Drawing and or using a gun on an unarmed attacker is my worst carrying fear! So many legal issues & they can vary so much from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

 

[Buddhalux]

With multiple attackers showing obvious aggresive tendancies it would be hard for me to NOT fear for my life of that of my loved ones. Once they got to within 20' I would be force to engage them as threats and fire to stop them. As stated before, there are no warnign shots in this day and age. We're accountable for every single shot fired. Make it easier on everyone and leave them in a torso.

 

[Benny503]

To be honest i think if the bullet fly up on the air and when it out of pressure it will free drop by gravity... I cant remember much about physic but i think it would hit someone as less harder then throwing a bullet at them. Unless at the time i did warning shot and someone fly right on top of me.

This is a very good discusion i would like to read more input.

Thank you all for possitive input and negative input as well.

 

[spengo]

To be honest i think if the bullet fly up on the air and when it out of pressure it will free drop by gravity... I cant remember much about physic but i think it would hit someone as less harder then throwing a bullet at them. Unless at the time i did warning shot and someone fly right on top of me.

This is a very good discusion i would like to read more input.

Thank you all for possitive input and negative input as well.

It will come down at whatever the terminal velocity is for the bullet. This is probably not as fast as when it comes out the barrel and it certainly won't be spinning an pointed in the correct direction anymore, but it's still fast enough to mess up someone's day.