Here we go, more trouble.

[Jamie6.5]

They were U.S. Marines guarding the embassy in Egypt. Albeit unarmed Marines, according to other Marines:
REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines Marine blogs say U.S. embassy did not authorize service members to carry ammo

U.S. Marines defending the American embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition, limiting their ability to respond to attacks like those this week on the U.S. consulate in Cairo.

Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson "did not permit U.S. Marine guards to carry live ammunition," according to multiple reports on U.S. Marine Corps blogs spotted by Nightwatch. "She neutralized any U.S. military capability that was dedicated to preserve her life and protect the US Embassy."

U.S. officials have yet to confirm or comment on the reports. Time magazine's Battleland blog reported Thursday "Senior U.S. officials late Wednesday declined to discuss in detail the security at either Cairo or Benghazi, so answers may be slow in coming."

In Libya, it wasn't an actual embassy/consulate, just an interim facility. (after all we had just helped them oust Qaddafi!)
Apparently the rescue there ran into troubles when they were ambushed, and ended up engaged in a firefight on the way in.

It sounds like bad State Dept. intel created a keystone cops fiasco.
Libya rescue squad ran into fierce, accurate ambush | Reuters

BENGHAZI, Libya, Sept 12 (Reuters) - A squad of U.S. troops despatched by helicopter across the Libyan desert to rescue besieged diplomats from Benghazi on Wednesday ran into a fierce overnight ambush that left a further two Americans dead, Libyan officials told Reuters.

Accounts of the mayhem at the U.S. consulate, where the ambassador and a fourth American died after a chaotic protest over a film insulting to Islam, remain patchy. But two Libyan officials, including the commander of a security force which escorted the U.S. rescuers, said a later assault on a supposedly safe refuge for the diplomats appeared professionally executed.

Then when they arrived, they apparently had inadequate transportation for the number of people they were supposed to evacuate, and ended up in another firefight trying to get them out.

Miscommunication which understated the number of American survivors awaiting rescue - there were 37, nearly four times as many as the Libyan commander expected - also meant survivors and rescuers found themselves short of transport to escape this second battle, delaying an eventual dawn break for the airport.

Captain Fathi al-Obeidi, whose special operations unit was ordered by Libya's authorities to meet an eight-man force at Benghazi airport, said that after his men and the U.S. squad had found the American survivors who had evacuated the blazing consulate, the ostensibly secret location in an isolated villa came under an intense and highly accurate mortar barrage.

Man, talk about a cluster,...

Of course, if one looks under the rug, one finds things like this:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/...d-Intel-Briefings-Week-Before-Embassy-Attacks

Wait, REALLY?
In the week before 9/11, the president didn't attend any White House intelligence briefings?
No really:

According to the White House calendar, there is no public record of President Barack Obama attending his daily intelligence briefing--known as the Presidential Daily Brief (PDB)--in the week leading up to the attacks on the U.S. embassy in Cairo and the murder of U.S. Libyan Ambassador Chris Stevens and three American members of his staff:

9/6/2012- http://www.whitehouse.gov/schedule/president/2012-09-06

9/7/2012- http://www.whitehouse.gov/schedule/president/2012-09-07

9/8/2012- http://www.whitehouse.gov/schedule/president/2012-09-08

9/9/2012- http://www.whitehouse.gov/schedule/president/2012-09-09

9/10/2012- http://www.whitehouse.gov/schedule/president/2012-09-10

9/11/2012- http://www.whitehouse.gov/schedule/president/2012-09-11

The last time prior to the slayings that the White House calendar publicly confirms Mr. Obama attending his daily intelligence briefing was September 5th.

Welcome back Carter!

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Hmm, before 1948 we didn't have any enemies over there

Now it's probably too late to put them back to sleep. Nice move. Good thing I like popcorn

 

[gaijinsamurai]

Samuel L Jackson WASTE THE MOTHERbubblegumERS Rules of Engagement - YouTube

 

[coastal steelheader]

Wow - so movies do cause violence. Yet the same libs are the first to say movies don't cause violence or anything else when Hollyweird releases its usual polished turds.

As far as I'm concerned there is no reason for us to hang around. Pull our remaining people out, and just carpet bomb the entire country.

 

[coastal steelheader]

Congratulations. You have reached their mentality. Seriously dude, that is ignorant and narrow-minded. That is the same mentality they have. A group of Americans does something that pisses them off, and all of a sudden we all need to die. You are the American equivalent of that. How many innocent Iraqis died at the hands of Americans during the war? Does that mean that Iraqis are now justified in trying to blow up the entire US?



*SIGH* I really wish some of you people had some common sense or did a little thinking before putting finger to keyboard.

Secondly, these people are barbarians, and no amount of understanding and liberal handwringing will change them. You do realize that the ambassador was sexually assaulted and then drug through the street don't you? You go try and negotiate with people like that and see where it gets you. If these pricks really want a holy war then I say give them one. We have the nukes, and they got bubblegum.

 

[Sling Blade]

Secondly, these people are barbarians, and no amount of understanding and liberal handwringing will change them. You do realize that the ambassador was sexually assaulted and then drug through the street don't you? You go try and negotiate with people like that and see where it gets you. If these pricks really want a holy war then I say give them one. We have the nukes, and they got bubblegum.

You know, you and the other knee jerk reactionaries are pretty close to parroting what the Muslims are probably saying and if you guys were on the other side of the world you probably would have been middle of the mob attacking the embassies.

All in all, this thread has more childish ignorance and vitriol in it than any I've read on this site, and that is saying something.

 

[coastal steelheader]

You know, you and the other knee jerk reactionaries are pretty close to parroting what the Muslims are probably saying and if you guys were on the other side of the world you probably would have been middle of the mob attacking the embassies.

Yeah cause most people at this forum have always wanted to drag another man out of a burning building, sexually assault him, then drag the body through the street. Try again.

All in all, this thread has more childish ignorance and vitriol in it than any I've read on this site, and that is saying something.

You don't approve? Don't let the door hit you on the ***...

 

[timac]

Barbarians very true. The news or the Obama administration will not report that Ambassador Stephens was raped by the Islamic attackers.


Translated from a Lebanonese paper.

Killed the U.S. ambassador to Libya and reportedly raped sexually before acting on the body

Sources said that "the U.S. ambassador to Libya was raped sexually before killing by gunmen who stormed the embassy building in Benghazi last night to protest against the film is offensive to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)," The sources said that "Ambassador was killed and representation of his body in a manner similar to what happened with Gaddafi ahead kill him. "

The News reported:

Kill the U.S. ambassador in Libya Christopher Stevens and three Americans in an attack on Tuesday evening 11/09/2012 the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, also announced Wednesday a senior official at the Interior Ministry Libyan told AFP.
The deputy interior minister and Nice Sharef "kill the ambassador and three other staff members," said Libyan Deputy Prime Minister Mustafa Abu Hakor killed the U.S. ambassador in its note on his Twitter page. For his part, President of the Supreme Security Committee in Benghazi Fawzi and Nice that the U.S. ambassador was at the consulate when the attack occurred. Demonstrators attacked by gunmen on Tuesday evening consulate and shells fired by Libyan security sources reported in the first stage for the fall of American lives and wounded during the attack.

And condemned U.S. President Barack Obama Wednesday 12/09/2012 strongly "outrageous attack" that killed the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans in the U.S. consulate in the city of Benghazi and ordered to tighten security at diplomatic missions around the world. Obama said in a statement after the murder of the U.S. ambassador and three employees in a rocket attack on their vehicle in Benghazi "I have asked my department to provide all the necessary resources to ensure our employees in Libya and tighten security at diplomatic missions around the world." "The U.S. administration refuses to offend the religious beliefs of others, but we are clearly opposed to this kind of reckless violence of having lost the lives of state employees these people."
And condemned the British Foreign Secretary William Hague Wednesday 12/09/2012, the attack on the U.S. consulate in the Libyan city of Benghazi, and he considered unjustified. Haig said, "there is no justification for such an attack and the horrific murder of a U.S. official (Ambassador) at the consulate, and my thoughts are with his family and all his colleagues at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs." "We welcome the condemnation of President (Parliament Mohammed Maqrif) for this incident, and it is essential that the Libyan authorities to take urgent measures to improve the security situation, particularly in Benghazi, and identify those responsible for such attacks."
​

Haig stressed that the UK "stands ready to help the Libyan authorities and in any way possible and support their efforts to continue on the road to make Libya a stable, secure and meet the aspirations of the Libyan people."

 

[coastal steelheader]

One stateside paper is reporting it
PICKET: UPDATE - Lebanon news rape report on murdered U.S. amb. in Libya remains unconfirmed by AFP - Washington Times

It's also coming out via talk radio and the net. Hopefully Obama isn't too busy writing his apology so he can attend a briefing and find out for himself.

 

[clearconscience]

The sad thing is this is what the "terrorist" and bin laden had been planning for years. That was their plan for 9/11. To make us invade the "Holy Land" and gr the entire middle east to rise against the infidel invasion of their Holy Land. Then we supported the overthrow of these regimes and we helped get muslim extremist into the govt and in power and now their getting into the perfect position to make their plan come to life. Having all the middle east fight us.

 

[trainsktg]

A foreign paper showing scenes from both sides of the story.

Sorry America: Libyan protestors tout pro-America posters a day after the U.S. Ambassador was killed... but angry mobs still storming embassies throughout the Middle East | Mail Online

Keith

 

[jib]

These radical extremist only understand one option, that is annihilation. So who will annihilate who ?

 

[trainsktg]

What I'm really becoming mad about are:

1.) reports that US Marines were not stationed at this 'embassy' en force,
2.) those embassies that do have a US Marines are apparently not allowed to carry live ammunition (a rule NOT exclusive to the Obama administration btw),
3.) there possibly were credible warnings received by the state department up to 48 hours in advance of the attacks on Middle East embassies but no warnings were passed on to the field, and,
4.) our President has not attended a PDB since Sept. 4 because his campaigning is apparently more important.

My thoughts regarding the latter, IF this guy were to publicly eschew any campaigning in light of this crisis and only concentrate on dealing with the situation until it was resolved, that action alone would do more to boost his re-election chances than any amount of pizza parlor and union hall trips ever possibly could.

Keith

 

[jib]

These radical extremist only understand one option, that is annihilation. So who will annihilate who ?

I am not advocating war I am asking for justice .

 

[trainsktg]

Barbarians very true. The news or the Obama administration will not report that Ambassador Stephens was raped by the Islamic attackers.


Translated from a Lebanonese paper.

Killed the U.S. ambassador to Libya and reportedly raped sexually before acting on the body

Sources said that "the U.S. ambassador to Libya was raped sexually before killing by gunmen who stormed the embassy building in Benghazi last night to protest against the film is offensive to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)," The sources said that "Ambassador was killed and representation of his body in a manner similar to what happened with Gaddafi ahead kill him. "

The News reported:

Kill the U.S. ambassador in Libya Christopher Stevens and three Americans in an attack on Tuesday evening 11/09/2012 the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, also announced Wednesday a senior official at the Interior Ministry Libyan told AFP.
The deputy interior minister and Nice Sharef "kill the ambassador and three other staff members," said Libyan Deputy Prime Minister Mustafa Abu Hakor killed the U.S. ambassador in its note on his Twitter page. For his part, President of the Supreme Security Committee in Benghazi Fawzi and Nice that the U.S. ambassador was at the consulate when the attack occurred. Demonstrators attacked by gunmen on Tuesday evening consulate and shells fired by Libyan security sources reported in the first stage for the fall of American lives and wounded during the attack.

And condemned U.S. President Barack Obama Wednesday 12/09/2012 strongly "outrageous attack" that killed the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans in the U.S. consulate in the city of Benghazi and ordered to tighten security at diplomatic missions around the world. Obama said in a statement after the murder of the U.S. ambassador and three employees in a rocket attack on their vehicle in Benghazi "I have asked my department to provide all the necessary resources to ensure our employees in Libya and tighten security at diplomatic missions around the world." "The U.S. administration refuses to offend the religious beliefs of others, but we are clearly opposed to this kind of reckless violence of having lost the lives of state employees these people."
And condemned the British Foreign Secretary William Hague Wednesday 12/09/2012, the attack on the U.S. consulate in the Libyan city of Benghazi, and he considered unjustified. Haig said, "there is no justification for such an attack and the horrific murder of a U.S. official (Ambassador) at the consulate, and my thoughts are with his family and all his colleagues at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs." "We welcome the condemnation of President (Parliament Mohammed Maqrif) for this incident, and it is essential that the Libyan authorities to take urgent measures to improve the security situation, particularly in Benghazi, and identify those responsible for such attacks."
​

Haig stressed that the UK "stands ready to help the Libyan authorities and in any way possible and support their efforts to continue on the road to make Libya a stable, secure and meet the aspirations of the Libyan people."

Although that picture appears to be quite damming, the ambassador is covered in soot and his pants on, zipped and buckled. Another, probably later photo, showed him being carried through the street on someone's shoulders. His condition in those two photos match another story that said he was carried to a nearby hospital after succumbing to smoke inhalation. Why rape him, then dress him back up? They stripped Crew Chief Cleveland (Super Six-Four, Mogadishu) naked before parading him through the streets, why no similar pictures here? My point being, with all of the spotty and contradictory reporting we've seen so far, we have absolutely no idea of what the real details are of what went on over there, and probably won't for some time to come.

Keith

 

[jib]

Ghost post

 

[beavertonbuck]

Is that not all a matter of perspective? What one person sees as an act of war, another does not? Communists invaded Vietnam, which is not US soil, and yet we saw it as an act of war and retaliated, did we not? The Soviet Union wanted to keep missiles in Cuba, which is not US soil, and yet we saw it as an act of war. Israel was soil that was stolen from the Palestinians and given to the Jews to make up for the Holocaust. The Palestinians see that as an act of war. Does the US or UK see it as an act of war? No. Again, it is all a matter of perspective.



The government was providing security for the embassy, and they were overcome by an armed mob. Also, here is another group of people who think someone who has done them wrong should "feel [their] wrath."

Matter of perspective, my friend.



I know you wanted to rhyme with "trouble," but the word you used "ruble" is the Russian currency, pronounced as "rooble." So since it is the first part of the rhyme, i read it as "Remember rooble does not make trooble." LOL

How did we get from discussing someone making a crappy movie to circumstances that deal with geopolitical issues and what at the time was considered a struggle for the dominate role in the world. I don't tend to support American involvement in conflicts between other countries but I can see the how our interest and long term security were involved.

In this matter a private individual insulted a religion. That person also just happens to be Eygptian which makes me wonder an American diplomat had to be killed. I stated in my previous post that I didn't support bombings unless it was determined that the government was involved. So there was some government there providing security for the embassy but it wouldn't be the first time governments either lied to someone or had different agencies seeking different goals. Remember that Pakistan was our partner in the War on Terror but when it came to Bin Laden we sent SEALs into Pakistan without alerting them.

 

[Blue Devil PA]

The movie is crap, but it was produced in America and is protected by our 1st ammendment rights.
No one, including the "mighty" Hillary Clinton or President Obama should apologize to another country for an American on American soil exercising his/her rights.
I am getting really tired of our goverment apologizing to the rest of the world for our existence.
Over in the Sandbox they burn our flags and bibles, kill our aid workers and soldiers with glee and oppress their citizens with equal parts indoctrination and fear. Here, our goverment turns their backs on the only real allies in the region (Israel), apologize for being Americans and send our best citizens out to a third world hell-hole to die for a country that will forget this war along with those waged by the Russians, British, Romans, Persians, Macedonians and so many others.

 

[jib]

Why do you keep posting this exact same post? Stop spamming, it is in violation of the NWFA Community Rules.

That is a good question, as I did not double post. SO what is going on here ?
I've had trouble here before and I wish the Mods could figure this out.
It would seem that some here don't care for my speech and they are F'n with my computer xx