Gutfeld: Anyone with half a brain could see this coming - run on firearms.

[baker3gun]

@MichaelH - I thought it might be about something else because this thread extends well beyond the normal political discussion parameters set by this board.
So far that I somewhat forgot that this discussion is nearly 100% sustained by 2A supporters, regardless of other differences they may have.
Your comments about regulation of dangerous animal ownership and associated liability resemble a common attack on gun ownership.
In my forgetful state, I responded appropriately.

@ No one in particular:
I woke up this morning with several thoughts:
1 - This thread stayed open longer and allowed broader discourse than usual.
2 - If I take the time, I can pick apart posts from Bob D and easily find myself in agreement with half of what he says. Example:

This forum is about guns. On guns, I agree with almost everything I read here. I really don't think it's worth finding something off topic to yell at each other about, so I won't. You are more than welcome to believe what you believe; I am confident in what I believe and always willing to accept new information, evaluate it, and figure out how it affects my beliefs.

3 - I don't find myself interested in an open exchange with WWShooter, and few if any members would probably want to read it. IMO, much of his content is leftist cliches, but I'm the guy who used the word "stupid" in a previous post, so neither of us set the table for rational discourse.

My invitation stands. If someone wants a clean argumentative contest over policies promoted by political liberals vs. political conservatives, I'll engage it via private message, but as Bob pointed out, there is probably no good reason to pursue it on this forum.
FWIW, I have no interest in any "Republican" vs "Democrat" discussion. Those labels are moving targets and neither of them represent the broad political ideology that is supposed to underlie them.

Thx.

 

[baker3gun]

There's about 700,000 more people in Seattle than Walla Walla, there are plenty of people who will share with you what they think. I'd almost describe the significant difference in experiences as "sheltered."

Often, this is me.

I believe that Americans can be united in political support of shared goals, to oppose and counteract ineffective public policy.

But I also live 30 miles outside of the only 'city' in a county of 16,000 people.

I try not to be insulated, but I'm definitely insulated.

 

[baker3gun]

Parting random thought:

...As for "fascism" here you go: "a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation anarchy, and often races that are disingenuously portrayed as victims, above the individual, and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leadership, severe economic and social regimentation that includes mandatory wealth redistribution from productive people to unproductive people, and forcible suppression of opposition."

That's Antifa, to a tee.

Right?

 

[Gene Rojas]

Political ideologies aside, you don't have to be a genius to see why once "gun- neutral" Americans have joined the gun-owning crowd- they saw the impoverished masses rioting and stealing while police stood by and watched, radial politicians spouting off about stupid, foolish policies like defund the police and paying thugs basic income, liberal politicians protecting criminals, and figured out they are now on their own. Time to arm up so they can protect their own families- about time, but all of these newbies with guns are just about as dangerous as the criminals they are scared of. They need more practice and training- many have never even fired their new firearms before.

But the supply of firearms seems to be back up- AR parts for those of us who prefer to build them ourselves is also seems to be replenished as well. Ammo, although now priced at 2-3x what it was back in 2019, is plentiful again. And I am seeing prices slowly creep back down, as the 8 million plus newbies who bought guns and ammo now realize they have enough, pondering what they spent to get what they have, and wondering is it enough. It seems the newbies may have expended their security budgets- or don't know what to do next.

There were a few times in 2020 were I thought we are going to Full-on, SHTF bugaloo party time, but I guess the rioters got enough overpriced sneakers, designer gear and apparel, burned and destroyed enough property, got tired and decided to go home. The NG came out too- that would scare any street thug any day of the week. Even they know they don't have enough firepower to go toe to toe with trained soldiers. But alot of these criminals got away scott free, so they are waiting for another chance to come out, throw a trash can through a window, and do some more free shopping- they will march along with antifas or BLM, whoever happens to be there, and will distract the cops long enough. All of this will keep more law abiding citizens who normally would not buy guns headed to the gun store, and keep ammo prices above what they normally were for the foreseeable future.

The current trainwreck of an administration is not helping either- I am surprised Sleepy Joe hasn't offered America free lessons in speaking Chinese yet.

Geno

 

[Longwalkhome]

@ Baker 3gun

I voiced my opinions on your efforts and you assume my opinions are uniformed.

In the gun culture you figure out who is who, if you have been at it a while. Being part of that culture for decades my opinions are what they are and built on a history of working to keep our rights.

It's not apathy I have but a good understanding of human nature.

Have a great day.

 

[GripItAndRipIt]

Nailing it...

100%. I have been arguing this for years: The gun grabbers need as much violent crime as they can get... so they can call it "gun crime," or "gun violence." And my new favorite -- even Fox is guilty of this one -- random street crime where more than two people are hit by a projectile is now a "mass shooting." Why do the gun grabbers want to disingenuously amplify "gun violence." So they can create ever more arguments to scare the soccer birthing people into supporting even more Draconian gun control and to get them to donate to anti-Constitution groups such as Giffords and Birthing People Demand Action. Just waiting for the next Million Birthing People March...

 

[Patriot1775]

Problem is the Neo-Marxists have infiltrated education, print media, movies and television. GD RINO's let them get away with it. Sadly I'm afraid, we are doomed!

 

[Longwalkhome]

Problem is the Neo-Marxists have infiltrated education, print media, movies and television. GD RINO's let them get away with it. Sadly I'm afraid, we are doomed!

Probably not doomed but certainly will be hard to exist in.

 

[American123]

Often, this is me.

I believe that Americans can be united in political support of shared goals, to oppose and counteract ineffective public policy.

But I also live 30 miles outside of the only 'city' in a county of 16,000 people.

I try not to be insulated, but I'm definitely insulated.

You'd think that ineffective public policy could transcend politics and unite otherwise opposing political parties, but that would also seemingly ignore the facts.

The fact is, no matter how abysmal the failure of political policy, their are ideologues who continue to push for the same stuff time after time because the intention and the emotion is more important to them than the results.

Seattle is a great example of this. Millions of dollars have been spent on the homeless services here and the problem has only increased (dramatically).

Then we can look at the trend of who have been elected into politics. It's the same crap time after time with a different face and name.

If I wasn't also on the metaphorical ship, I'd happily watch it burn and sink.

There are so many facets of this problem that it is difficult to discuss them all in a vacuum and isolated, but at it's core, I'd say the American education (indoctrination) system is a big culprit. There are seriously uneducated/miseducated people being put into society and it is only logical therefore that as the general intelligence of the American populace declines, so to will go the effectiveness of everything that the American populace does.

 

[ma96782]

This is NWFirearms.com. Me, I've gotten used to going off the track. It is like the saying......

Embrace the Suck

Nothing really new or all that worrisome to get your panties in a bunch. At least not IMHO.

Aloha, Mark

PS.....I fit that "half a brain" description.

 

[MichaelH]

I do wish that the folks on this forum, in general, knew what a marxist, a communist, an anarchist, a socialist, Antifa, and BLM were and what folks who apply those labels to themselves meant by them. Most of the usage of those terms here seem to be applied to anyone to the left of Lyndon Johnson (or maybe anyone who's not knee-jerk opposed to all firearms regulation). I suspect that sort of application of those ideological labels isn't going to promote any sort of nuanced discussion or understanding.

 

[baker3gun]

@ Baker 3gun

I voiced my opinions on your efforts and you assume my opinions are uniformed. ... Have a great day.

At the end of my post I said: "Your posts suggest awareness but also surrender."

In the middle of my post I said: "...maybe a wise choice is to learn about what is happening and try to do something about it?"

I guess you could read that as an accusation of being uninformed, but that's not how I meant it.

More like this:
A person can criticize or undermine advocacy for rational solutions to societal problems,
or,
learn about root causes to problems and advocate for rational solutions to societal problems.

The blue part seems wise for any person. If you remove it, the statement still stands, and at least late last night, seemed to describe your observable position.

I'm not looking to quibble, but I stand by the contents of post 171.
The post quoted you, and therefore naturally would be considered to be directed at you, but perhaps its real merit (if it has any) arises from the consideration that it could apply to anyone who seems to undermine positive discourse with defeatist perspective.

If we had lunch, I'm sure we'd discover much more general agreement than disagreement.
We have no reason to seek grounds for disagreement.

You have a great day!

 

[baker3gun]

I do wish that the folks on this forum, in general, knew what a marxist, a communist, an anarchist, a socialist, Antifa, and BLM were

I'm sure many do.

and what folks who apply those labels to themselves meant by them.

It's not certain whether folks who adopt those mantles or purposefully dodge them, always know what they mean.

Most of the usage of those terms here seem to be applied to anyone to the left of Lyndon Johnson (or maybe anyone who's not knee-jerk opposed to all firearms regulation).

Meh. After a decade or more of irrational partisan ad hominem attack, a little irrational ad hominem attack isn't lethal to productive discourse. Just look past it and see if the author has any reasonable message or idea.

I suspect that sort of application of those ideological labels isn't going to promote any sort of nuanced discussion or understanding.

I agree. Both sides would benefit from stopping doing it.

Which side of the political spectrum tends to use emotional response and misinformation and ad hominem attack first and most often?

Get them to stop, and then ask the other side to reciprocate?



OK. Gotta go do something instead of nothing. Y'all have a great day. I was born and raised in Texas, so I'm allowed to say that.
C'yas.

 

[Longwalkhome]

At the end of my post I said: "Your posts suggest awareness but also surrender."

In the middle of my post I said: "...maybe a wise choice is to learn about what is happening and try to do something about it?"

I guess you could read that as an accusation of being uninformed, but that's not how I meant it.

More like this:
A person can criticize or undermine advocacy for rational solutions to societal problems,
or,
learn about root causes to problems and advocate for rational solutions to societal problems.

The blue part seems wise for any person. If you remove it, the statement still stands, and at least late last night, seemed to describe your observable position.

I'm not looking to quibble, but I stand by the contents of post 171.
The post quoted you, and therefore naturally would be considered to be directed at you, but perhaps its real merit (if it has any) arises from the consideration that it could apply to anyone who seems to undermine positive discourse with defeatist perspective.

If we had lunch, I'm sure we'd discover much more general agreement than disagreement.
We have no reason to seek grounds for disagreement.

You have a great day!

Not being derogatory but just making a last point. You learn more by asking question rather than reading into a post your own assumptions. It's my opinion you won't get far turning liberal gun owners to our side by useing internet battle tactics of conversation. You might want to work on understanding. Conversation is about sharing opinions and has nothing to do with your hierarchy in a group. Its not about winning, it's about learning.

Later dude.

 

[Bob D]

What cult or otherwise extremist compound did you grow up in?

It didn't have a name, the religion was just another version of regular old Evangelical Christianity. It was one of the homeschooling sects. Similar to the quiverfull movement and Bill Gothard's ATI.

 

[American123]

It didn't have a name, the religion was just another version of regular old Evangelical Christianity. It was one of the homeschooling sects. Similar to the quiverfull movement and Bill Gothard's ATI.

I'd be careful to come to generic conclusions based on what sounds like a super fringe experience.

 

[CLT65]

I'd say a warped, harsh, legalistic version of Christianity, but I don't want to get into any religious discussions here. I'll just say I'm well acquainted with the movement and can understand how someone raised under such conditions could easily grow up to reject religion as a whole.

I was raised similarly though not so extreme. As an adult I have turned from the legalism and extremism, but have kept my faith.

 

[Bob D]

I'd be careful to come to generic conclusions based on what sounds like a super fringe experience.

I am very careful not to do so.

I too am going to avoid a religious discussion. It is quite off-topic, and a very small part of who I am as a whole. But I will say that I have thoroughly and openly looked into all the various alternatives, and am quite happily areligious.

 

[American123]

I am very careful not to do so.

I too am going to avoid a religious discussion. It is quite off-topic, and a very small part of who I am as a whole. But I will say that I have thoroughly and openly looked into all the various alternatives, and am quite happily areligious.

Thanks for the dialogue.