Gutfeld: Anyone with half a brain could see this coming - run on firearms.

[bbbass]

I doubt I will ever ignore anyone. I prefer to make the choice of either reading, skimming over or bypassing a persons post completely - but I want the option of seeing it without having to log off to do so.

As I said before.... you do you. If you ever decide to use the ignore list, I'm volunteering to be on it...

 

[Longwalkhome]

Oh I absolutely agree. The only thing about our current political situation more distasteful to me than Democrat Politics is Republican Policies. I usually don't vote for either.

Politics and the propaganda it produces has taken the "why" out of day to day life and replaced it with opinions. Country is in turmoil because it's run by opinions.

 

[bbbass]

machiavelli

Why bring Starbux into the discussion?

 

[Longwalkhome]

Why bring Starbux into the discussion?

you are funny , good humor sir.

 

[Bob D]

Politics and the propaganda it produces has taken the "why" out of day to day life and replaced it with opinions. Country is in turmoil because it's run by opinions.

Absolutely true. Which is why I try to spend time with people who work on their gardens, their careers, their families, and their communities and generally avoid anyone for whom politics is a source of anger and frustration. We all want better. We all want free-er, fairer. We have different approaches, to those goals... and some people suck. In my experience, no political group has a monopoly on people who suck.

 

[bbbass]

you are funny , good humor sir.

Why thank you kind sir! .... Why indeed?

 

[Longwalkhome]

Absolutely true. Which is why I try to spend time with people who work on their gardens, their careers, their families, and their communities and generally avoid anyone for whom politics is a source of anger and frustration. We all want better. We all want free-er, fairer. We have different approaches, to those goals... and some people suck. In my experience, no political group has a monopoly on people who suck.

If the country ran on results rather than opinions then we would have far less problems. Unfortunately it's turned into arguments of hierarchy of opinions and nothing gets done. The personality of who wins the arguments is all that matters now days and sadly our country suffers. Culture I guess.

 

[Longwalkhome]

Why thank you kind sir! .... Why indeed?

Got to walk my dog now, you guys have fun

 

[bbbass]

I've decided to steer clear of political contention, as all it does is cause bad feelings and high blood pressure, with no apparent good. It seems to me that instead of taking the bait and getting into a right/left political fight (and locking the thread), it might be more useful to try and understand exactly where these people are coming from. As has been mentioned, there are many millions of them.

I'm right with you until the "try to understand" part. When I was younger, I was willing to take the time to explore/discuss with people where they were coming from... pretty much by now I have heard it all before, and don't need/want to hear it again. Have become disgusted by many of my fellow humans, and I know that most are "preaching" their own individual sermons rather than having a fair exchange of ideas. There might be a gem or two that have open minds, but those people today are rare in my experience. I rarely find one online, it's usually somebody I meet, which is also rare during covid.

That said, I probably am unable to see the whole discussion here because many of our resident leftists have made my very small ignore list, not because of their politics views, but rather because they were arrogant jerks.

^^^^^^^THIS ^^^^^^^^

 

[ma96782]

Re Voter Fraud.

I figure.......
That if......
Even one case of fraud exists = that the system does NOT work.

Especially, when speaking about an election.

Yeah.....mistakes can happen (or was it really)?

Rrrrright.....over and over again. What's one or two? What's 10 or 100? What's a couple of thousand?

Aloha, Mark

PS..... and I don't even wanna hear the "statistical significance argument". Yeah....look at the numbers and the Govt approved response to Covid. Not to mention their reasoning for gun bans and etc....

 

[RVTECH]

Absolutely true. Which is why I try to spend time with people who work on their gardens, their careers, their families, and their communities and generally avoid anyone for whom politics is a source of anger and frustration. We all want better.

Glad to see a positive approach !

I certainly have my 'times' of frustration and anger with regard to politics however I keep it limited with a select few I can discuss it with, get it out of my system and move on.

 

[ma96782]

Something to think about?

Well according to various politicians.....they believe that The Constitution actually says......

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, unless I say it's reasonable and makes common sense to me.

That being said.....is Hilary a reasonable person? Is Biden?

Yeah.....but.....what are they really? Left, right, center?

Here is ME......according to some "reasonable people". I have been described as a:

Deplorable
Nazi
Fascist
Racist
Homophobe
Xenophobic
Misogynist
Rich/1%er
Right-Wing Ultra Nationalist
Religious Right Winger
NRA Goon/gun nut/killer
White Supremacist
Etc, etc...

Yup....all that.....
Just for voting for TRUMP, owning guns, and loving women. And for the record, I ain't even white.

Aloha, Mark

PS.....don't HATE me. I too loved my mother (R.I.P.) and she voted twice..... for OBAMA.

 

[CLT65]

On becoming less conservative or more liberal (depending on how you look at it) as I age:

It would not be possible to become much more conservative than how I was raised. I was taught to use a rifle when i was 6 so that I could snipe CPS from the barn when they came to take me and the rest of the kids away from our religious extremist anti-government homeschooling coop parents. In my teens I was protesting in front of abortion clinics and holding prayer vigils in front of government buildings. There was not much space to the right of there to move into.

I was raised similarly, though perhaps not quite to that extreme, and am well acquainted with that sub-culture. I think I understand you a little better now. Growing up that way leaves one with a rather unique perspective. Of all the kids I grew up with in similar families, very few have clung to that extremism as adults. Most of us rejected it when grown, to one degree or another. I know of at least a few who have swung hard left, I think out of anger and bitterness at how they were raised. Most of us have settled into a comfortable moderate-conservative world view.

I had a lot of bitterness about how I was raised, for a while. It stunted me as a young man, and took productive years from my life. My father was furious when I finally went down and got a SSN in my mid 20s, so I could get a real job and start my life (Mark of the Beast!!!) I will not raise my kids to live in fear like that.

My folks mellowed over the years too, especially when they saw some of their personal heroes crumble. One guy they really revered, a "founding father" of homeschooling, they later learned had turned to white-supremacy (NEVER a part of their beliefs). That really bothered them.

I've come to realize that everyone is looking for that guru on the mountain, someone who has it all figured out and can tell us how we should live, and we all ultimately believe what we choose to believe.

The success of the human species is due to our amazing adaptability. We have the ability to justify and rationalize anything, and we can construct elaborate and convincing arguments for our views, no matter how extreme. This is universally true across the ideological spectrum, the same for Atheists and Humanists as for religious extremists.

 

[ma96782]

For those who identify as "Liberal" or leaning that way.

The Loneliness of the Liberal Gun Lover

Can a small but growing slice of the electorate create common ground in the bitter gun rights debate?

www.politico.com

Aloha, Mark

 

[Longwalkhome]

There is only one question about guns each and everyone of us has to answer to ourselves. Do you as a human being have a right to protect your life with a gun from everyone trying to take your life including the government?

Founders answered that question with the 2nd Amendment. Today's culture seems to believe we are subjects and not fee men.

 

[ma96782]

Another Gutfeld"ism".....

Aloha, Mark

 

[Bob D]

I was raised similarly, though perhaps not quite to that extreme, and am well acquainted with that sub-culture. I think I understand you a little better now. Growing up that way leaves one with a rather unique perspective. Of all the kids I grew up with in similar families, very few have clung to that extremism as adults. Most of us rejected it when grown, to one degree or another. I know of at least a few who have swung hard left, I think out of anger and bitterness at how they were raised. Most of us have settled into a comfortable moderate-conservative world view.

I had a lot of bitterness about how I was raised, for a while. It stunted me as a young man, and took productive years from my life. My father was furious when I finally went down and got a SSN in my mid 20s, so I could get a real job and start my life (Mark of the Beast!!!) I will not raise my kids to live in fear like that.

My folks mellowed over the years too, especially when they saw some of their personal heroes crumble. One guy they really revered, a "founding father" of homeschooling, they later learned had turned to white-supremacy (NEVER a part of their beliefs). That really bothered them.

I've come to realize that everyone is looking for that guru on the mountain, someone who has it all figured out and can tell us how we should live, and we all ultimately believe what we choose to believe.

The success of the human species is due to our amazing adaptability. We have the ability to justify and rationalize anything, and we can construct elaborate and convincing arguments for our views, no matter how extreme. This is universally true across the ideological spectrum, the same for Atheists and Humanists as for religious extremists.

I appreciate every word of this, and have similar observations. My parents also cooled their jets; but it was a long process. My own process of recovery involved a lot of anger and rebelliousness in my early 20s; I had some rough patches and swung pretty wildly around in different philosophical directions before I found a tack that got me upstream. I'm 37 now, and a long ways past resentment of it. My parents were tempered a lot when all their children eventually rejected the ideology along with the evangelical church and republican party; although none of us are militant about any of it.

We aren't the nuts running around saying that literally everything and everyone is racist or misogynistic. Though I do have an understanding of those concepts that is a lot further left than what I grew up with, that is mostly because where I grew up it was acceptable to be openly white supremist and treat wives and daughters as little more than property.

My liberal position is almost entirely economic, and closest to the Blue-Collar trade Unionists of the mid-late 20th century. My "incredibly leftist, statist, socialist" position can be summed up with these two statements: 1. Anyone who works full time should be able to support a spouse and 2-3 kids in a reasonable home eating reasonable food in the community in which they work. 2. No employer should make extravagant sums of untaxed money while their employees rely on government assistance to get by.

That's another reason I don't argue on here; I'm a liberal yes, but I'm not the twitter horde, and sooner or later in a debate about one topic I'll get pigeon-holed and straw-manned as having to defend everything every crazy reactionary propagandist said on an MSNBC panel.

 

[ma96782]

OMG...... let's just all demand a UBI?

Aloha, Mark

PS....too much "poverty" in America?

Well....why not? Just lower the official "poverty line". Problem solved.

OK, Ok, ok......maybe some people just need to look at other countries. And see what "poverty" looks like over there. Cuba, N. Korea, China, VN, Venezuela, Russia. Yeah.....those "Utopian Countries".

 

[Bob D]

UBI would be an interesting failed experiment to watch.

 

[Longwalkhome]

UBI is a lie that when acted out it will destroy our system. That's what it's meant to do, so what will replace it and will folks still have a 2nd Amendment to defend themselves as it all goes bonkers?