National Gifford's group targets vets

[bbbass]

Five new ads from Gabby Giffords utilize a new strategy that uses veterans to promote gun control:

Marie Harf: Military veterans enlist in the battle to fight gun violence in America – Let's hear them out

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[notazombie]

Opinion piece by John Kerry's has-been mouthpiece about turncoat vets. Seems like legit news to me.

 

[Stomper]

They should be REALLY-REALLY weary of targeting vets... we'll shoot back, with extreme predjudice.

 

[bbbass]

They should be REALLY-REALLY weary of targeting vets... we'll shoot back, with extreme predjudice.

Are you saying this is not a new strategy? I know they wanted to take guns from vets, but using vets to legitimize their fight against guns... that's low.

I also know a number of vets that don't think anybody should have guns... WTF?

 

[Stomper]

Just because someone is a veteran doesn't give them any more "moral authority" or the last word on the 2A than say... a meter reader.

 

[WasrNwarpaint]

ya........ this guy....Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling Ret. is in the tank with the democrats......

full blown demorat, a 2013 obama appointee that NOW works for the Clinton News Network.....CNN......
so ALL caveats should be respected


Since June 2014, Hertling has appeared as a national security and military analyst for CNN, discussing events in Iraq, Israel, Ukraine, and the policies of the U.S. military.

 

[bbbass]

ya........ this guy....Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling Ret. is in the tank with the democrats......

full blown demorat, a 2013 obama appointee that NOW works for the Clinton News Network.....CNN......
so ALL caveats should be respected


Since June 2014, Hertling has appeared as a national security and military analyst for CNN, discussing events in Iraq, Israel, Ukraine, and the policies of the U.S. military.

So, is it just him, or are they using other veterans too? And it looks like they are trying to recruit more vets to their cause...

 

[bbbass]

Just because someone is a veteran doesn't give them any more "moral authority" or the last word on the 2A than say... a meter reader.

Agreed!!! But the sheeple might not be as intelligent as you!!

 

[Stomper]

So, is it just him, or are they using other veterans too? And it looks like they are trying to recruit more vets to their cause...

Good luck on that.... "General".

 

[The Heretic]

Opinion piece by John Kerry's has-been mouthpiece about turncoat vets. Seems like legit news to me.

I don't know that I would describe them as 'turncoat'.

I have not read the article so I don't know how the vets felt about private gun ownership, but a lot of the people I served with, especially the young bucks in boot, were very uninformed/misinformed about guns in general, self-defense and private gun ownership. Even back in the 70s (when I went thru boot) there were a significant number of them.

 

[WasrNwarpaint]

but a lot of the people I served with, especially the young bucks in boot, were very uninformed/misinformed about guns in general, self-defense and private gun ownership. Even back in the 70s (when I went thru boot) there were a significant number of them.

and apparently some still uninformed/misinformed about guns

 

[Stomper]

Agreed!!! But the sheeple might not be as intelligent as you!!

Let me know where to send the $5 for the flattery fee!

 

[bbbass]

Let me know where to send the $5 for the flattery fee!

To:
Rasputin Beezlebub
6969 Dorcas Walk
Imaginum, Bali

 

[The Heretic]

and apparently some still uninformed/misinformed about guns

Naturally.

Or rather - human nature.

Humans generally are emotional, irrational and lazy. They would rather be told how to feel about an issue/topic than have to do the work to inform themselves and think objectively/rationally/logically about anything.

That doesn't necessarily make most pro-gun people more logical or rational.

I would bet most of the pro-gun people are not really any different in that sense from anti-gun people; most of us probably grew up in a pro-gun atmosphere to one degree or another, so we haven't had to do much thinking/work if any because we were taught from the outset to be pro-gun. So most of us didn't have to swim against the tide so to speak.

Sure, there are 'converts' in the pro-gun camp, but most of us grew up being pro-gun, so it wasn't hard staying that way. And here on these forums are people who mostly have more than a passing interest in guns - we are "gun nuts".

What is working against us is the fact that as a percentage of the population, we are increasingly a minority. The percentage of gun owners is getting smaller (while the absolute number increases slightly) and the percentage of pro gun rights people is getting smaller too. Eventually the majority will vote to remove our rights, even though they are theoretically protected by the Constitution.

There is a quote by Justice Brennan that I can't find right now, but he basically asserted (in a court opinion I think) that the majority cannot vote away a right by the minority. I agree with that assertion, I just wish more in the judicial branch understood that principle.

 

[rcnpthfndr]

I cant believe he went this way. He was my Brigade Cdr when I was at lewis. Seems the warrior was a façade.

 

[WasrNwarpaint]

I cant believe he went this way. He was my Brigade Cdr when I was at lewis. Seems the warrior was a façade.

No surprise to me .....just watch the daily news to find there is a new, unprecedented revelation each and every day you cant trust a democrat, especially if there is an affiliation to CNN

 

[Jonnyuma]

This is as far as I got:
"... in the United States, while preserving the rights granted in the Second Amendment to the Constitution."

See anything wrong with that?
Yeah, me too.

For trolls, lurkers, and others looking for a quip to use, here it is... ready?

"One member of the regional pro-gun and pro-gun owner internet forum, NWFA has this to say, "All rights are human rights. Whether you believe that they are endowed by their Creator as written by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, or that they exist only in our collective imagination as a social contract, they are basic human rights.

Certain inalienable rights were enshrined in the Bill of Rights. That means that those individual rights shall not be infringed upon. Not then, not ever. Not for political gain. Not for campaign contributions. They are rock solid.

The government's most pressing responsibility is to ward off attacks on those rights... everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) comes secondary.

A "right" given by the government is a right that can be taken away by the government. The Bill of Rights is not open for debate."

Not my best or most eloquent soliloquy, but it'll do.

 

[The Heretic]

This is as far as I got:
"... in the United States, while preserving the rights granted in the Second Amendment to the Constitution."

See anything wrong with that?
Yeah, me too.

For trolls, lurkers, and others looking for a quip to use, here it is... ready?

"One member of the regional pro-gun and pro-gun owner internet forum, NWFA has this to say, "All rights are human rights. Whether you believe that they are endowed by their Creator as written by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, or that they exist only in our collective imagination as a social contract, they are basic human rights.

Certain inalienable rights were enshrined in the Bill of Rights. That means that those individual rights shall not be infringed upon. Not then, not ever. Not for political gain. Not for campaign contributions. They are rock solid.

The government's most pressing responsibility is to ward off attacks on those rights... everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) comes secondary.

A "right" given by the government is a right that can be taken away by the government. The Bill of Rights is not open for debate."

Not my best or most eloquent soliloquy, but it'll do.

"The Framers of the Bill of Rights did not purport to 'create' rights. Rather, they designed the Bill of Rights to prohibit our Government from infringing rights and liberties presumed to be preexisting." - Justice Brennan

 

[bbbass]

Unalienable rights... IMO, the Bill of Rights confirmed these, not set forth.

 

[bbbass]

"It will be a desirable thing to extinguish from the bosom of every member of the community, any apprehensions that there are those among his countrymen who wish to deprive them of the liberty for which they valiantly fought and honorably bled." - James Madison in his introduction to Congress of the proposed Bill of Rights