National Gifford's group targets vets

[Ura-Ki]

Unfortunately this is all true. I know a few vets personally who detest guns and don't believe civilians can be trusted with them, even more so for self defense! One Vet is a Vietnam vet who is absolutely starkers anti black gun, claiming the killing power doesn't belong in the hands of any one. When challenged about the "Effectiveness" of the M-16 in combat during his time, he went way off the rails and I had to leave before Things turned bad! Point is, there are folks out there who wore a uniform and experienced things that made them think the way they do, and rational thought is impossavle for them. Then there are those who use the uniform to build political positions of power over others. Those are the dangerous ones, gifted rank not on merit but on affiliations and now they can dictate the rules as they see them, and use the creds of the uniform to bolster that position, such as our buddy in the O.P., a self appointed expert with zero experience in what he promotes!

 

[bbbass]

Unfortunately this is all true. I know a few vets personally who detest guns and don't believe civilians can be trusted with them, even more so for self defense! One Vet is a Vietnam vet who is absolutely starkers anti black gun, claiming the killing power doesn't belong in the hands of any one. When challenged about the "Effectiveness" of the M-16 in combat during his time, he went way off the rails and I had to leave before Things turned bad! Point is, there are folks out there who wore a uniform and experienced things that made them think the way they do, and rational thought is impossavle for them. Then there are those who use the uniform to build political positions of power over others. Those are the dangerous ones, gifted rank not on merit but on affiliations and now they can dictate the rules as they see them, and use the creds of the uniform to bolster that position, such as our buddy in the O.P., a self appointed expert with zero experience in what he promotes!

Zactly!!!!! You nailed it! Great post... Thx!!!

 

[SA Shooter]

Not all veterans are heros. Some are traumatized individuals whose experiences in combat marred their outlook and perception of the world. They, too, have an opinion on guns which is driven by their condition. In some cases, it becomes a lifetime loud and vocal diatribe against that which damaged them.

Then, there are those veterans who are not heros but are strong, knowing they did what they had to do. When those memories plague them, they spend time with themselves to work through it and move on without laying a significant burden on those around them.

I would rather spend time with the quiet strong veteran than the weak and loud veteran.

I believe the article leads us to believe there are other veterans already fighting for their cause and there very well may be. However, I also believe that the majority of veterans would not engage with that group as their premise is that something has to be done in the way of more gun control and not dealing with the social issues that create amoral, poorly self-controlled, animals.

 

[bbbass]

dealing with the social issues that create amoral, poorly self-controlled, animals.

Truth!!!

 

[Caveman Jim]

So, is it just him, or are they using other veterans too? And it looks like they are trying to recruit more vets to their cause...

It's not just the talking heads that are turncoats, there are many Vets & gun owners who drink the anti-gun kool-aid. Yeah, WTF???

 

[nwslopoke]

As a vet I have deployed to around 16 countries in my 10 yrs in the USAF. A lot of those countries we were there as a result of what happens when the people had no means to resist. Am I supposed to ignore that?

The very same people that are screaming a corrupt US government and trying to impeach the president are also saying to give up your guns. Do they even listen to themselves?

 

[Stomper]

This is as far as I got:
"... in the United States, while preserving the rights granted in the Second Amendment to the Constitution."

See anything wrong with that?
Yeah, me too.

For trolls, lurkers, and others looking for a quip to use, here it is... ready?

"One member of the regional pro-gun and pro-gun owner internet forum, NWFA has this to say, "All rights are human rights. Whether you believe that they are endowed by their Creator as written by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, or that they exist only in our collective imagination as a social contract, they are basic human rights.

Certain inalienable rights were enshrined in the Bill of Rights. That means that those individual rights shall not be infringed upon. Not then, not ever. Not for political gain. Not for campaign contributions. They are rock solid.

The government's most pressing responsibility is to ward off attacks on those rights... everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) comes secondary.

A "right" given by the government is a right that can be taken away by the government. The Bill of Rights is not open for debate."

Not my best or most eloquent soliloquy, but it'll do.

Yeah, I caught that too and have been thinking about that statement most of the afternoon.

but it's like....

As a vet I have deployed to around 16 countries in my 10 yrs in the USAF. A lot of those countries we were there as a result of what happens when the people had no means to resist. Am I supposed to ignore that?

The very same people that are screaming a corrupt US government and trying to impeach the president are also saying to give up your guns. Do they even listen to themselves?

They know what they're saying and doing. They're counting on the masses (who are in large part victims of public education that purposely failed to teach them reading comprehension, fundamentals of mathematics, the virtues of self-discipline, critical thinking skills, and inculcating a socialist indoctrination), not to connect the dots, until it's too late.

 

[The Heretic]

As a vet I have deployed to around 16 countries in my 10 yrs in the USAF. A lot of those countries we were there as a result of what happens when the people had no means to resist. Am I supposed to ignore that?

The very same people that are screaming a corrupt US government and trying to impeach the president are also saying to give up your guns. Do they even listen to themselves?

cog·ni·tive dis·so·nance
noun
PSYCHOLOGY

1. the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioral decisions and attitude change.

 

[Stomper]

cog·ni·tive dis·so·nance
noun
PSYCHOLOGY

1. the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioral decisions and attitude change.

Yes... THIS is a major ingredient right there!

 

[11Charlie]

I would rather spend time with the quiet strong veteran than the weak and loud veteran.

I agree with you. BUT there is the exception to this. I have had the pleasure of meeting @Stomper and as we all know he can be vocal and I will tell you this. He is not weak!



Now stomper send me my 20 dollars

 

[Stomper]

I agree with you. BUT there is the exception to this. I have had the pleasure of meeting @Stomper and as we all know he can be vocal and I will tell you this. He is not weak!



Now stomper send me my 20 dollars

Here, one of these is worth at least $50....

 

[SA Shooter]

Take it off the forum and get a room, you two.

 

[Stomper]

Take it off the forum and get a room, you two.

Why, so you can give us French lessons?

 

[ZigZagZeke]

"...shootings in schools, churches, concerts, nightclubs..."

Yes, the general is right. It is a disease. What he doesn't [want to] understand is that the disease is untreated mental illness. Until we as a nation make it a priority to provide affordable, accessible, locked-down treatment for the mentally deranged who are a danger to themselves and others we will continue to see these heinous crimes committed. Those shootings "... in schools, churches, concerts, nightclubs..." are invariably perpetrated by people who are suicidal and paranoid. The politicians and "experts" of the 1970's were wrong when they declared everyone who had been institutionalized well and sent them home to be supervised by overworked and untrained family members, and closed those institutions. This insane violence is the result. But it's easier to blame the object (and all gun owners) than the specific perpetrators. How long are we going to put up with it?

 

[alv7722]

I don't know that I would describe them as 'turncoat'.

I have not read the article so I don't know how the vets felt about private gun ownership, but a lot of the people I served with, especially the young bucks in boot, were very uninformed/misinformed about guns in general, self-defense and private gun ownership. Even back in the 70s (when I went thru boot) there were a significant number of them.

Yet, they took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution!!

 

[The Heretic]

Yet, they took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution!!

It is quite probable that their interpretation of the Constitution is different.

 

[alv7722]

Yeah, I caught that too and have been thinking about that statement most of the afternoon.

but it's like....





They know what they're saying and doing. They're counting on the masses (who are in large part victims of public education that purposely failed to teach them reading comprehension, fundamentals of mathematics, the virtues of self-discipline, critical thinking skills, and inculcating a socialist indoctrination), not to connect the dots, until it's too late.

It probably IS too late. I think that will be born out after the 2020 Census. They have used immigration as a weapon against the American people and values, including the Constitution and B of R.

 

[alv7722]

"...shootings in schools, churches, concerts, nightclubs..."

Yes, the general is right. It is a disease. What he doesn't [want to] understand is that the disease is untreated mental illness. Until we as a nation make it a priority to provide affordable, accessible, locked-down treatment for the mentally deranged who are a danger to themselves and others we will continue to see these heinous crimes committed. Those shootings "... in schools, churches, concerts, nightclubs..." are invariably perpetrated by people who are suicidal and paranoid. The politicians and "experts" of the 1970's were wrong when they declared everyone who had been institutionalized well and sent them home to be supervised by overworked and untrained family members, and closed those institutions. This insane violence is the result. But it's easier to blame the object (and all gun owners) than the specific perpetrators. How long are we going to put up with it?

How about the schools condoning "gender confusion"? Or teaching white males they should be ashamed of who and what they are?? This has got to engender a certain amount of sickness!!

 

[bbbass]

How about the schools condoning "gender confusion"? Or teaching white males they should be ashamed of who and what they are?? This has got to engender a certain amount of sickness!!

Are you saying sickness as relates to 2A rights?

 

[Caveman Jim]

Genderism is a mental illness and definitely should not be taught in public education.