Fresno Detective killed by fellow Officer

[billdeserthills]

Doesn't cover everything.....

Nothing ever does

 

[clearconscience]

Doesn't cover everything.....

And you crotch protector, and maybe the swat breech face shield.

Kidding a side this story would be a good thing to bring up to the other Officers. Never forget don't get complacent.

God speed Sir, Thank You for doing a tough job.

 

[Who The F R U]

Doesn't cover everything.....

He was shot in the Chest right?
That's what it cover's.

 

[CoastRange57]

And those would both be NEGLIGENT discharges.....not accidental.....

I have posted this before. In my former careers I went through extensive safety training and accident investigation and was a certified on the job accident investigator by OSHA.

Pretty extensive and ongoing training that involved multiple scenarios. It was stressed that
" accidents" were really incidents. All on the job and most other accidents or incidents have to have at least 2 pecursor events to happen. Human presence is one of those events. A violation of rules or improper procedure of some other kind is the second event. At this point the stage is set for the incident to occur. The next improper input event / action will cause the incident to happen. The only thing to be determined is what the result of the event will be.

Removal of one of those presursor events or procedures stops the incident / accident from happening.

Two people present, deviation from procedure in drawing loaded weapons outside of normal training parameters are the first two events. The next thing that happens could have very different results, but something bad was going to happen. Horrible.

 

[CoastRange57]

Doesn't cover everything.....

Detectives. They were in a room of some kind. Probably not going to have vest on in that situation. Makes safe gun handling all that much more important.

 

[No_Regerts]

He was shot in the Chest right?
That's what it cover's.

As a plain clothes guy myself, we don't always have a vest on sitting around in the office. BUT, we dont screw around with guns in the office either.

 

[billdeserthills]

Cop Fired After Shooting Own 11 y/o Daughter
www.thefreethoughtproject.com/police-fired-weapon-daughter/

Could it be that someone else was showing off for their friends?

 

[billdeserthills]

Doesn't cover everything.....

Kevlar overcoat www.bulletblocker.com/bullet-proof-clothing.html

 

[Who The F R U]

As a plain clothes guy myself, we don't always have a vest on sitting around in the office. BUT, we dont screw around with guns in the office either.

________________________________________________________________
Why would you go to work without the minimum protective gear ?

Ever heard the phrase train as you fight ?
Not smashing on you guy's but complacency is the #1 killer if you carry a gun for a living.

You put on your gun every day you should do the same with your armor.
It's the least you can do for yourself, your family and those you are trying to help.
Because stupid things happen.

We don't go to a shoot for fun without a trauma bag, Dr. Carr, an ambulance and a helo pad with life flight on standby.

 

[Connor Murphy]

It never fails that the old saying rears it's ugly head.

Complacency kills.

And unfortunately it usually kills someone innocent.

I can't imagine having to live with something like that. I don't think you could. Knowing that man's family is hurting and will never see their loved one again.

If the family can find it in their hearts to forgive him then maybe, eventually, he can forgive himself.

 

[slingshot1943]

Muzzle direction, Muzzle direction

 

[Flopsweat]

Kevlar overcoat www.bulletblocker.com/bullet-proof-clothing.html

Ballistic panels provide front, side and rear protection with torso coverage up to the collarbone area and protective extensions on the sides.

 

[No_Regerts]

________________________________________________________________
Why would you go to work without the minimum protective gear ?

Ever heard the phrase train as you fight ?
Not smashing on you guy's but complacency is the #1 killer if you carry a gun for a living.

You put on your gun every day you should do the same with your armor.
It's the least you can do for yourself, your family and those you are trying to help.
Because stupid things happen.

We don't go to a shoot for fun without a trauma bag, Dr. Carr, an ambulance and a helo pad with life flight on standby.

We wear body armor during all training and when out and about. We also have safety plans and the assigned ER of the day knows when we are training or conducting operations. We wear outer carriers that are easy to get in and out of.

In my office, I take it off unless I'm the duty officer and have to deal with the random people that come in. I dont find it necessary to wear my armor while writing reports, going to the bathroom, eating lunch in the office, etc.

 

[CoastRange57]

Not smashing on you guy's but complacency is the #1 killer if you carry a gun for a living.

You put on your gun every day you should do the same with your armor.

Complacency is a killer if you carry a gun at all, regardless if it is for a living or just for protection like the majority of us on here do every day.

LEO's contact more shi*bags in their day than the majority of us do. In the office which is reasonably considered a secure area with no immediate threats, you should really not have a reason to wear a field protection piece. Granted if you have to go contact the public then it is a good idea. If everyone is following proper protocols regarding firearms in the office then there should be minimal threat to safety.

I have been in a police station when there was a shooting call close to the station. There was a lot of people going to that call from the station, and all were putting vests on and drawing long guns from the armory.

It all depends on the people in the situation. In my circle, most of the shooting and gun handling tactical work is done with military combat veterans and people they have trained. On tactical drills or demonstrations we use training guns. They are cheap to buy on ebay.

Yanking around with a loaded gun in a training situation would get you a " WTF are you doing ?"

 

[Brutus57]

Gotta be more to the story. Much more.

My spidey sense, which has been wrong on occasion says.......Love triangle.

Brutus Out

 

[Flopsweat]

My spidey sense, which has been wrong on occasion says.......Love triangle.

Brutus Out

Showing gun or draw technique?

 

[muskoka]

Very tragic story. Condolences to the family of the officer killed on duty.