Oregon Fostech Echo trigger illegal in Oregon?

[The Heretic]

So you have to send your lower to Digitrigger to have them install it??

 

[Quartermaster]

Expensive! $500 to $600 for a trigger group? Woof!

Requires a battery - albeit if the battery fails then trigger still operates.

Versatile. I assume it works with any BCG or upper? Even a blowback upper like the AR 57? A beltfed upper?

Hmmm....

It seems like the gun is stuttering...

 

[The Heretic]

It seems like the gun is stuttering...

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Practice makes perfect.

Back when binary triggers were first a gimmick, when someone was selling this little sliver of metal that goes between the two sears to space them out a little further, I had an AK that I tried with my homemade equivalent. I got a feeler gauge, figured out the right thickness by experiment, cut it down so it would fit and put a bit of temp glue on it so it would stay put.

Bam - instant binary trigger for a few dollars. It worked most of the time. A few times it would follow the BCG forward and I would have to clear it to shoot again, but it worked well enough to have some fun for a few minutes out in the woods. Then I took it out of the trigger, packed up and headed home before someone called the WSP and they got curious.

It did not take a lot of practice, and the AK in 7.62 recoils more than the AR in 5.56 so it was easier to keep going. If you can bump fire, you can certainly use a binary trigger - it is a lot easier.

 

[chris123456]

ORS 166.210 - Definitions - 2015 Oregon Revised Statutes



Relevant law.

Same reason Franklin Armory's binary fire system isn't allowed in Oregon.

By the way, Federally it says "per actuation of trigger" which means its legal in Fed law, but Oregon is written such that it is illegal because you have a single pressure on the trigger; if it fires on the pull, then fires on the release.

oregon law says 2 or more rounds fired with pressure of trigger. How is one round fired by pressure of trigger and then one round fired by release 2 or more rounds?

 

[CamoDeafie]

oregon law says 2 or more rounds fired with pressure of trigger. How is one round fired by pressure of trigger and then one round fired by release 2 or more rounds?

Because the trigger puts pressure on both directions, I would think that is how a lawyer for the State of Oregon would read it. It does not say "per pull" else the return stroke would be Ok.

I'm no lawyer and I could be mistaken though.

 

[The Heretic]

To be safe, both at the state level and the federal (especially with Trump in office), I got a Geiselle '3 gun' comp trigger for my AR build, that is not binary, for $130 from Brownells on sale IIRC. With the light spring (2.5# IIRC - it comes with two springs), from what I have read, it might as well be a binary trigger it is so fast. This way, no matter what state I am in, as long as single pull/single shot is legal, the trigger will be legal and fast.

Would I like a binary trigger? Sure. But with the current environment, which is only going to get worse, this gives me some confidence that as long as the rifle is legal so will be the trigger and it gets me what I want; a faster shooting trigger. YMMV

 

[oregunbob541]

Any updated info from 2020?

 

[SPARROW350]

Dammit! I live in Oregon and I just ordered a custom build that has the fostech trigger. I was unaware of this not shipping to Oregon until the guy doing the build told me. The thing is, he said that he would still ship it to me and now I dont know what to do. Should I see about getting it swapped out for the Franklin armory trigger or just say screw it and go with the fostech (which is the one I really want) since he said he will ship it? It's so stupid that these two triggers are basically the same thing and one is apparently ok but the other is not. Anyone that lives in Oregon, has the fostech and info on how it has gone for them?

 

[oregunbob541]

I originally wanted the fostech but now I plan on ordering the franklin BFS3 simply because the franklin uses forged parts while the fostech uses cheap MIM parts. I'd rather have to clear the occasional jam from hammer follow than have my whole trigger assembly fall apart on me when I need it most.

 

[SPARROW350]

I originally wanted the fostech but now I plan on ordering the franklin BFS3 simply because the franklin uses forged parts while the fostech uses cheap cast MIM parts. I'd rather have to clear the occasional jam from hammer follow than have my whole trigger assembly fall apart on me when I need it most.

If you preferred the fostech and were able to have it shipped to you would you get it?

 

[oregunbob541]

I like the fact that you can't outrun the bolt on the fostech, but the BFS3 seems better built to me. It's a tradeoff

 

[Jcon268]

I originally wanted the fostech but now I plan on ordering the franklin BFS3 simply because the franklin uses forged parts while the fostech uses cheap MIM parts. I'd rather have to clear the occasional jam from hammer follow than have my whole trigger assembly fall apart on me when I need it most.

The only part that seems cheaply made on the Echo II is the selector switch and I've been told it can be replaced with any full auto selector, not sure if that is true. The rest of the parts seemed okay to me but haven't put mine through hell so maybe there would be issues to come later.

 

[ma96782]

It's because.....
To some people, the 2nd A actually says......

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, unless I say it's reasonable.

Aloha, Mark

 

[SPARROW350]

just got this reply from fostech. The guy doing my build also contacted a couple different gun shops, one of which is a class lll dealer and they said that binary triggers are fine and legal in Oregon.

 

[Twindragonn]

Just finisged reading through all these pages. Hahahahaa. And was trying to figure out how one could buy a fostech echo ARII in store ( for a larger price than online) but I couldnt order online and get it shipped here. I'll find out tomorrow more on this. Thanks Sparrow350 you answered my question though

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Never heard of binaries being illegal in OR except from those who run scared due to WA determination and assume (incorrectly) that OR is the same. I think fostech website is totally wrong in saying can't ship to OR (as is optics planet btw) especially as u can order one today from third party vendors and have them delivered to OR. I like the echo sport at $250ish, works great! Eats ammo very fast though, so be aware of the ammo bill.

 

[Deerhurst]

Buddy of mine has the fostech and I have the BFS. Both of us bought them at the same local shop.

I prefer the BFS. Better feel on semi. The fostech is pretty mushy. My LGS won't deal with fostech anymore due to their CS and non-existent dealer support. I think they said it took them several years to get a shotgun warrantied by fostech.

 

[Twindragonn]

Well the place I was trying to buy mine from ( classic firearms) wouldnt sell to oregona hahahababa

 

[Deerhurst]

Well the place I was trying to buy mine from ( classic firearms) wouldnt sell to oregona hahahababa

Skip classic. Bunch of crooks. They sell one thing and send another or just cancel your order and relist at a higher price if it's a popular item.

 

[wired]

I like the fact that you can't outrun the bolt on the fostech, but the BFS3 seems better built to me. It's a tradeoff

Its not that its better built . The Fostech uses what is essentially a safety sear that is tripped off the closing bolt carrier to keep the hammer from over riding the bolt. Franklins do not and can run faster than the bolt carrier. Many guns have safety sears. SKS's, Winchester 100's etc. have safety sears. Configured a little differently safety sears are called a automatic sears and yes, a clever tinkerer could handily turn the Fostech into a drop in Full Auto Conversion device. Simple job.

And this Friends is why I have a lifetime ban from the High Road.