National Braces illegal again

[aboveandbeyond]

ATF interpretation

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tOvXWUCTntA

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[TTSX]

Non click bait Cliff notes, please

 

[CamoDeafie]

Non click bait Cliff notes, please

ATF Says Brace Rule Case Is Moot, Warns Some Braced Pistols Still Face NFA Enforcement

ATF says the pistol brace rule case is now moot after nationwide vacatur, but warns some braced pistols may still be treated as short-barreled rifles under the NFA.

www.ammoland.com

ATF asks Court to dismiss a case as "moot" since the Pistol Brace rule had been "universally vacated" in other cases, meaning the Pistol brace Rule is no longer in effect, but claims that some "pistol braced firearms" will still be considered unregistered SBRs and that the "statutory obligations" of NFA are all in effect.

The case seeks to enjoin the ATF from enforcing the "legal theory" underpinning the Final Rule of pistol braced firearms. The ATF defends the "legal theory", and wants the court to dismiss case as moot.


So
Until the NFA and associated gun laws are either repealed or overturned, the ATF will continue to be dicks

 

[1775usmc]

Non click bait Cliff notes, please

Don't worry. The ATF and every other alphabet agency is way better under daddy Trump.

America first……

 

[arakboss]

That explains why braces have gotten cheap. And I thought it was the free tax stamps.

 

[MTpockets]

In honor of Certaindeaf, I didn't click. But…

…here is my pistool....

...purchased as a pistool, still a pistool....and can be a rifool too.

ADA approved.

 

[CamoDeafie]

All Congress has to do is just declare that all AR and AK receivers are rifle receivers regardless of setup . Booom. Millions of firearms now NFA subjects.

 

[Knobgoblin]

 

[Stomper]

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[orygun]

That explains why braces have gotten cheap. And I thought it was the free tax stamps.

I got one (brace), ya wanna buy it?

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

So they are applying The Double Negative Theory?
They lost both cases but the second one canceled out the loss on the first one limiting who they could go after so somehow that means they won and can now go after anyone?

 

[orygun]

So they are applying The Double Negative Theory?
They lost both cases but the second one canceled out the loss on the first one limiting who they could go after so somehow that means they won and can now go after anyone?

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I'll take "Understanding the Government for $200, Alex."

 

[1775usmc]

I'll take "Understanding the Government for $200, Alex."

What is power and control.

 

[bradsteen]

"Hey, we lost the cases about this specific thing and were told we couldn't do what we wanted, but we're still going to anyway." Uh huh. Sounds like ATF's lawyer needs a head slap.

 

[Saladfarmer]

Non click bait Cliff notes, please

Here's the skinny.
This was a directive or interpretation from AFT "lawyers" not from AFT HQ. This is not as big a deal as many are saying it is. Also, for all of us that are GOA and or FPC members there is even less threat since we are covered under the injunction that still stands. Now, I'm not a lawyer, because my parents loved me, so advance at your own discretion. AFT HQ has NOT said that this is their stance, and most likely when it does get around because of all the chicken littles freaking out on the guntoob, it will probably get backtracked until a new regime/administration that is not as pretending to be gun friendly comes in.

 

[1911Fanatic]

In honor of Certaindeaf, I didn't click. But…

…here is my pistool....
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...purchased as a pistool, still a pistool....and can be a rifool too.

ADA approved.

I bought my AR pistol already braced. I don't like the brace I have, but yours looks like a brace I could use. That is the kind that spreads over your arm from the top, down both sides, right? I have basically one hand that works. So that kind of brace would be awesome.

The brace I have wouldn't be fun to try to shoulder. It's hard and thin. If I have to shoulder it in order to use it, I may as well put an M4 stock on it. Then I could put a forward grip on it too, although that may not help anything has I only have about 10 to 11% of the grip strength I am supposed to have in my left hand. The bones grind in my thumb and wrist when I try to grip anything. I haven't been able to play guitar for two years.

So is this to say that If I were to get a brace like that, and shoot one handed with with it, that that is now a rifle? It seems to me that someone needs to bring a lawsuit under the Americans with Disabilities Act as that kind of brace would specifically aid a disabled shooter.

That's the kind of brace I want, but I am not gonna waste my mine on one of if I am going to have to SBR my pistol.

The kind of brace on mine would require me to secure a Velcro to my right arm with my left hand, and that I cannot do. But the brace in your pic I could just slide my arm into. Wouldn't even need the Velcro maybe.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I bought my AR pistol already braced. I don't like the brace I have, but yours looks like a brace I could use. That is the kind that spreads over your arm from the top, down both sides, right? I have basically one hand that works. So that kind of brace would be awesome.

The brace I have wouldn't be fun to try to shoulder. It's hard and thin. If I have to shoulder it in order to use it, I may as well put an M4 stock on it. Then I could put a forward grip on it too, although that may not help anything has I only have about 10 to 11% of the grip strength I am supposed to have in my left hand. The bones grind in my thumb and wrist when I try to grip anything. I haven't been able to play guitar for two years.

So is this to say that If I were to get a brace like that, and shoot one handed with with it, that that is now a rifle? It seems to me that someone needs to bring a lawsuit under the Americans with Disabilities Act as that kind of brace would specifically aid a disabled shooter.

That's the kind of brace I want, but I am not gonna waste my mine on one of if I am going to have to SBR my pistol.

The kind of brace on mine would require me to secure a Velcro to my right arm with my left hand, and that I cannot do. But the brace in your pic I could just slide my arm into. Wouldn't even need the Velcro maybe.

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I wouod suggest the tailhook or tailhook mod 2. No strap needed. it acts like a cantilever.



The tailhook mod2 compact (they also make mod2 regular which is more expensive) with buffer tube can be found for $45-$65, complete with buffer spring and buffer (which can be removed if desired).

It comes without folding adapter

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• ilikegunspdx
• Aug 7, 2024

But you can add one if desired

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• ilikegunspdx
• Jul 26, 2024

 

[orygun]

I tried using a brace as intended. Works ok if I want to shoot with my arm pointing out to my right side. Otherwise there's no way to get my eyes to line up with a sight.
If I only had one arm, or the use of one arm, it might prove useful. As it is I only see braces as a "workaround" instead of SBR-ing your pistol. I've got no issue with that, as that's exactly what I used my brace for.
@1911Fanatic , I have a Sig brace that is similar to the top one shown above. If it interests you, I'd let it go very cheaply.

 

[1911Fanatic]

I tried using a brace as intended. Works ok if I want to shoot with my arm pointing out to my right side. Otherwise there's no way to get my eyes to line up with a sight.
If I only had one arm, or the use of one arm, it might prove useful. As it is I only see braces as a "workaround" instead of SBR-ing your pistol. I've got no issue with that, as that's exactly what I used my brace for.
@1911Fanatic , I have an Sig brace that is similar to the top one shown above. If it interests you, I'd let it go very cheaply.

Send me a PM with a pic and a price please. Oh never mind my in box is full. I will PM you after I re upgrade in a week or so.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Send me a PM with a pic and a price please. Oh never mind my in box is full. I will PM you after I re upgrade in a week or so.

You never heard of deleting old PMs??