Oregon OR trigger law start date is Sept 26, 2025

[LacDawg]

I highly doubt anyone can manually bump fire at a rate faster than a forced reset device.
And even if they can, the law clearly states it also uses the firearms rate of fire.

Well in my honest experience when I've bump fired my mp5k clone for example the gun did fire at a rate that was quite fast and I didn't time it of course or anything but to my eye it was almost indistinguishable from the rof of a super safety. I personally don't care much for super safety's because using up 1,000 rounds in a half hour isn't really viable for me economically lol but it's the language that bothers me because of what I said before. Technically my mbt-2s allows me to shoot faster than the stock milspec trigger I had before it.

 

[ridnourpat]

Exactly my point. Because technically a better trigger in general allows you to shoot not only faster, but more accurately.. So one may ask where do we draw the line here? If the idea is to stop criminals from processing said items why is it that we are making laws to ban them instead of to increase punishment for the illegal use of these devices? Instead they're choosing to make them illegal to possess in the first place. It seems that these laws are only aimed at law abiding citizens because criminals already do not follow the law. It doesn't make any sense.

Yes, that's exactly who these laws are aimed at. It's because the people (mostly Democrats) that have been elected to be in power of our state (and an alarming increase in number of other states it seems) don't care about saving lives. It's about control and getting all the power for themselves.

They are eroding our constitutional rights one law at a time. Oregon just hasn't kept pace with some of the more egregious states like Illinois, New York etc.

The problem is that only now are people like you and I are starting to see what is really going on while there are so many others out there a lot of them gun owners that aren't paying attention to these things. I honestly don't and can't fault them because I was like they are just a few short years ago. It wasn't until I heard about Measure 114 and what it would do before I really started paying attention. Ever since then I've been learning more and more about how our government, both state/federal level have been doing this to us for years/decades.

We need to wake up more people and get them to see what is going on like we do. They need to vote and understand what is at stake. I personally voted for Trump; not because I like Trump or care to support him to be honest but because I could not sit on the sidelines and allow another 4 years under the Biden/Harris regime.

I keep hearing a statistic that there are over 10 million gun owners that are not registered to vote. That number should be way less.

I personally have been trying to find ways to get more "involved". I can't do it monetarily because I'm broke and live paycheck to paycheck. But I haven't had any luck so far finding other ways to help spread the word. So for now I try to find forums like this one to have open discussions like we have been doing.

If you don't watch 2A channels, I highly encourage you to check out some of the law based channels I've mentioned before; Washington Gun Law, Tom Grieve, Armed Attorneys. I tend to trust them as legitimate sources because as practicing attorneys, I have to maintain a professional standard and follow certain rules in order to maintain their BAR license, which is what allows them to practice law in the first place. They have a reputation to uphold and there is no benefit for them to spread false information. They cover what the laws says which means what they cover is based on documented facts and what the laws mean. They use their skills to educate people like you and I. I have worked in the IT field for over 20 years now and I feel like I've learned more about gun laws past and present over the last 3 years than I have learned my IT profession over the last 20 years.

 

[LacDawg]

I think the whole problem with the idea of being able to mechanically bump fire without any device designed to do the same as you and trying to use that as a defense or to somehow find a loophole in the law, is you are likely not going to be able to prove in a courtroom that you have the capability to outpace the trigger pull of a FRT or Super Selektor in the first place.

Even if you have a high framerate video capturing perfectly and demonstrating that's even possible, I can't imagine a Judge; especially a Liberal/Activist Judge allowing recorded footage as evidence to the contrary. Again, I'm not a lawyer but I have watched a lot of lawyer based 2A YouTube channels (Washington Gunlaw, Tom Grieve, Armed Attorneys to name a few) and I've picked up on things that courts/judges have a certain process on how they allow or disallow evidence in a criminal case. Judges seem to have the discretion on instructing Jurors on what details or evidence they are allowed or not allowed to use to make their determination of guilt or innocents.

Bottom line is; if you get caught with one of these devices and are prosecuted, expect to be thrown in jail and while in there, you lose not only your freedom, but your job, your house; possibly your whole family if you have any and everything you care about. Meanwhile you have to sit there in a jail/prison cell and learn to survive that environment where you are mixed in with the hardened criminals, then have to go through the process of appealing through each stage of the Justice system in the hopes that your case gets to the right courtroom/judge and you conviction gets overturned.

I don't know about you all but I'm a law abiding citizen and if that happened to me, I'd be eaten alive. I don't believe I'd last 2 days, let alone 2 months or years without falling victim to the bad things that happen in jails/prisons.

So you need to ask yourself; is the risk of all of that potentially happening to you really worth having a piece of metal to install in your gun just to be able to mag dump and pretend for a few seconds like you are some Red Dawn hero taking out a squad of foreign invaders?

And to your point you're absolutely correct. It's not worth it at all. Atleast to me. I can't speak for anyone else. Maybe if I had unlimited funds for a defense I would just argue such and issue before I was ever in possession of a device like such. I don't even have the funds to feed a damn SS let alone defend its constitutional position. lol however I do feel that it's an infringement on our rights to protect ourselves and a better way to prevent criminals from possessing them would be to just up the punishment for their illegal use.

 

[Koda]

Well in my honest experience when I've bump fired my mp5k clone for example the gun did fire at a rate that was quite fast and I didn't time it of course or anything but to my eye it was almost indistinguishable from the rof of a super safety. I personally don't care much for super safety's because using up 1,000 rounds in a half hour isn't really viable for me economically lol but it's the language that bothers me because of what I said before. Technically my mbt-2s allows me to shoot faster than the stock milspec trigger I had before it.

I have no doubt one can get real good at manually bump firing a gun but the other part of the law clearly states the guns own rate of fire. The forced reset devices do increase the guns rate of fire, and its very clearly written in the law. They got this one.
As for practicality, if these were legal Id get one and learn how to properly use full auto firepower. If only for the sake of learning. The 2A is about military arms.

 

[LacDawg]

Yes, that's exactly who these laws are aimed at. It's because the people (mostly Democrats) that have been elected to be in power of our state (and an alarming increase in number of other states it seems) don't care about saving lives. It's about control and getting all the power for themselves.

They are eroding our constitutional rights one law at a time. Oregon just hasn't kept pace with some of the more egregious states like Illinois, New York etc.

The problem is that only now are people like you and I are starting to see what is really going on while there are so many others out there a lot of them gun owners that aren't paying attention to these things. I honestly don't and can't fault them because I was like they are just a few short years ago. It wasn't until I heard about Measure 114 and what it would do before I really started paying attention. Ever since then I've been learning more and more about how our government, both state/federal level have been doing this to us for years/decades.

We need to wake up more people and get them to see what is going on like we do. They need to vote and understand what is at stake. I personally voted for Trump; not because I like Trump or care to support him to be honest but because I could not sit on the sidelines and allow another 4 years under the Biden/Harris regime.

I keep hearing a statistic that there are over 10 million gun owners that are not registered to vote. That number should be way less.

I personally have been trying to find ways to get more "involved". I can't do it monetarily because I'm broke and live paycheck to paycheck. But I haven't had any luck so far finding other ways to help spread the word. So for now I try to find forums like this one to have open discussions like we have been doing.

If you don't watch 2A channels, I highly encourage you to check out some of the law based channels I've mentioned before; Washington Gun Law, Tom Grieve, Armed Attorneys. I tend to trust them as legitimate sources because as practicing attorneys, I have to maintain a professional standard and follow certain rules in order to maintain their BAR license, which is what allows them to practice law in the first place. They have a reputation to uphold and there is no benefit for them to spread false information. They cover what the laws says which means what they cover is based on documented facts and what the laws mean. They use their skills to educate people like you and I. I have worked in the IT field for over 20 years now and I feel like I've learned more about gun laws past and present over the last 3 years than I have learned my IT profession over the last 20 years.

Right on brother you really hit the nail on the head there. It's crazy just how the quote absolute power corrupts absolutely holds true for these people on top. They benefit from dividing us because divided we cannot stand. It's like that scene from the ant movie iykyk, but it's absolutely true. And just like you I voted for trump for it sounds the same reasons as you did. I'm neither left or right, I just stand for what's right. And unfortunately in politics it seems as if we're stuck between the lesser of two evils. I just wish there was a better way to be involved in change in this country. It seems that without money or the right people backing you, you can't get bubblegum done. Let alone have time to change the world and keep our own worlds from collapsing.

 

[LacDawg]

I have no doubt one can get real good at manually bump firing a gun but the other part of the law clearly states the guns own rate of fire. The forced reset devices do increase the guns rate of fire, and its very clearly written in the law. They got this one.
As for practicality, if these were legal Id get one and learn how to properly use full auto firepower. If only for the sake of learning. The 2A is about military arms.

I suppose I was confused by that part right there. When I think of what you said I see a guns rate of fire is already designed into the firearm. An frt in my mind only allows someone to take advantage of the rate of fire the gun was already capable of.

 

[Will_White]

I highly doubt anyone can manually bump fire at a rate faster than a forced reset device.
And even if they can, the law clearly states it also uses the firearms rate of fire.

Mechanically its impossible, bump devices not named would be legal however.

 

[Koda]

I suppose I was confused by that part right there. When I think of what you said I see a guns rate of fire is already designed into the firearm. An frt in my mind only allows someone to take advantage of the rate of fire the gun was already capable of.

A guns rate of fire is measurable. In semi autos its the time it takes to chamber the next round, which is always faster than the time it takes a persons finger to reset the trigger. A FRD more than " greatly" reduces the reset time than what a semi auto gun is designed.

 

[Koda]

Mechanically its impossible, bump devices not named would be legal however.

they redefined the definition of bump stock in the law to include any recoil activated device.

https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/liz/2025R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB243

 

[LacDawg]

I highly doubt anyone can manually bump fire at a rate faster than a forced reset device.
And even if they can, the law clearly states it also uses the firearms rate of fire.

A guns rate of fire is measurable. In semi autos it's the time it takes to chamber the next round, which is always faster than the time it takes a persons finger to reset the trigger. A FRD more than " greatly" reduces the reset time than what a semi auto gun is designed.

But is that actually true? Doesn't a FRT keep the same rate of fire as a regular semi auto firearm without it? I think you're confusing rate of fire with the speed at which the trigger is reset maybe? Is that actually not the same thing or am I wrong? Doesn't an frt just take advantage of the firearms already existing capability of a high rate of fire? For example In practice with an frt or SS the trigger is pulled with each shot, and what I'm saying is in theory one could pull the trigger just as fast without it right? idk I digress I'm not an expert by any means. And for the record my intention isn't to argue I just don't understand how an frt actually increases the firearms capability for a higher rate of fire than which already existed, but was then rather exploited by the frt.

 

[GWS]

they redefined the definition of bump stock in the law to include any recoil activated device.

https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/liz/2025R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB243

So...belt loops?

 

[40nascar]

How is what Floyd said over ride what the law says?

It can be challenged in court because of "legislative intent".

 

[maliveline]

Can we get a petition going so we can get a referendum on the voter ballot like they did with the Oregon gas tax? I will be more than happy to drive my bubblegum down to a gun store and sign something if we can get something organized. Where are the groups who are supposed to be defending our rights in Oregon? Where is the Oregon Firearms Federation? This should not be a hard thing to accomplish for people who sit around on their asses and make a living off our donations.

 

[GWS]

Can we get a petition going so we can get a referendum on the voter ballot like they did with the Oregon gas tax? I will be more than happy to drive my bubblegum down to a gun store and sign something if we can get something organized. Where are the groups who are supposed to be defending our rights in Oregon? Where is the Oregon Firearms Federation? This should not be a hard thing to accomplish for people who sit around on their asses and make a living off our donations.

Fighting for your gun rights is more than just tossing money at the various gun rights orgs. What else have you done? Have you called or written your legislators?

 

[CamoDeafie]

You are trash

He raised a valid question.

Besides donating to various gun rights groups, what else have you done to further gun rights, to promote gun-friendly/pro2A candidates, and to remind legislators that they depend on voters to stay in power?

 

[PiratePast40]

Can we get a petition going so we can get a referendum on the voter ballot like they did with the Oregon gas tax? I will be more than happy to drive my bubblegum down to a gun store and sign something if we can get something organized. Where are the groups who are supposed to be defending our rights in Oregon? Where is the Oregon Firearms Federation? This should not be a hard thing to accomplish for people who sit around on their asses and make a living off our donations.

The process is not simple nor is it without a significant amount of time and money. Organizations do not take these on unless they have everything lined up and all agree that it's a winnable endeavor. Instead of defining your supreme sacrifice as "drive my bubblegum down to a gun store and sign something", might want to see what it actually takes to get a petition on the ballot.

I'm going to make the assumption that your attacks are based on frustration. Keep in mind that we're all frustrated but many of us have been involved for quite some time and realize that eating our own does not serve our purpose.

The 2026 legislative session is just around the corner. What are you doing to get involved?