Washington Catalytic thief pointing gun at house during robbery, what's legal?

[made in china]

The thumbnail of this video says it all:

Armed thieves steal Bellevue family’s catalytic converter

A Bellevue family’s catalytic converter was stolen from their Prius and it was caught on surveillance video.

www.kiro7.com

During the entire time the thieves are stealing a cat from a Prius, the lookout aims a firearm at the door of the house, probably because they are aware of security cameras.

Generally, it is illegal to run out of your house and shoot someone breaking into your car.

However, I wonder what happens when the thief is holding a gun to your home? I have to assume the thief has just changed what a homeowner would be allowed to do? No? Seems like it'd be better for the thief to not display a firearm at all.....

BTW, I don't feel bad for anyone who owns a Prius, just for the record!

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[Certaindeaf]

I was in fear for my door, ociffer!

Pretty simple really.

 

[ZigZagZeke]

The thumbnail of this video says it all:

Armed thieves steal Bellevue family’s catalytic converter

A Bellevue family’s catalytic converter was stolen from their Prius and it was caught on surveillance video.

www.kiro7.com

During the entire time the thieves are stealing a cat from a Prius, the lookout aims a firearm at the door of the house, probably because they are aware of security cameras.

Generally, it is illegal to run out of your house and shoot someone breaking into your car.

However, I wonder what happens when the thief is holding a gun to your home? I have to assume the thief has just changed what a homeowner would be allowed to do? No? Seems like it'd be better for the thief to not display a firearm at all.....

BTW, I don't feel bad for anyone who owns a Prius, just for the record!

It would be interesting to get a legal opinion on this. Would it be legal to pick off an armed trespasser who is pointing a gun at you? Do they have to fire a shot at you first, or is criminal menacing enough?

 

[The Heretic]

I was in fear for my door, ociffer!

Pretty simple really.

IMO, this would hold up in court. I am not a lawyer

 

[solv3nt]

It would be interesting to get a legal opinion on this. Would it be legal to pick off an armed trespasser who is pointing a gun at you? Do they have to fire a shot at you first, or is criminal menacing enough?

I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on tv, but I'm pretty sure that if you were going out your front door and a dude was pointing a gun at you, that you would be pretty justified in being in fear for your life. Again, not a lawyer.

 

[made in china]

I kind of feel like pointing a gun at the house (that you can see on CCTV, apparently) is putting anyone in the house at risk, and is a direct threat.

Probably would be somewhat similar to what would be legal if you were confronted in your car in a similar manner??

Obviously, don't go out the front door! (that's where the thug was pointing the firearm at in the video)

 

[Tony617]

I posted this in another thread 4 or 5 days ago. I wonder if the culprit has a CPL or served in the military, or was a security guard? He keeps his finger off of the trigger.

https://neighbors.ring.com/n/ZgrvXkDt4O

 

[FireArm]

Sad Times we are in

 

[Certaindeaf]

I posted this in another thread 4 or 5 days ago. I wonder if the culprit has a CPL or served in the military, or was a security guard? He keeps his finger off of the trigger.

https://neighbors.ring.com/n/ZgrvXkDt4O

Didn't click but he might have had rickets as a child.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

The thumbnail of this video says it all:

Armed thieves steal Bellevue family’s catalytic converter

A Bellevue family’s catalytic converter was stolen from their Prius and it was caught on surveillance video.

www.kiro7.com

During the entire time the thieves are stealing a cat from a Prius, the lookout aims a firearm at the door of the house, probably because they are aware of security cameras.

Generally, it is illegal to run out of your house and shoot someone breaking into your car.

However, I wonder what happens when the thief is holding a gun to your home? I have to assume the thief has just changed what a homeowner would be allowed to do? No? Seems like it'd be better for the thief to not display a firearm at all.....

BTW, I don't feel bad for anyone who owns a Prius, just for the record!

I normally prefer a shotgun for home defense, but in this case since your car is so close I recommend an AR-15 carbine with a 223 varmint round that won't over penetrate.

The lookout is threatening everyone in the house with grave bodily harm, yes you are legally cleared to end the threat by shooting him dead.

 

[The Heretic]

I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on tv, but I'm pretty sure that if you were going out your front door and a dude was pointing a gun at you, that you would be pretty justified in being in fear for your life. Again, not a lawyer.

Out the door or inside, the guy is pointing a gun at you and/or your house. When that happens, if they aren't LEOs (pretty obvious when they are stealing your cat converter) then they are endangering you and your loved ones.

I.E., free fire zone.

 

[User 1234]

If my family was in the house yes I would have shot the person pointing a gun at them.

 

[No_Regerts]

Looks like a case of unlawful imprisonment. Let the articulating go from there.

 

[made in china]

I posted this in another thread 4 or 5 days ago. I wonder if the culprit has a CPL or served in the military, or was a security guard? He keeps his finger off of the trigger.

https://neighbors.ring.com/n/ZgrvXkDt4O

Good observation!

If he is knowingly and intentionally keeping his finger off of the trigger, you'd think he'd also realize he is now an open target. A LEO would probably be in the clear to neutralize him right there. But, then again, Prius.

 

[AlwaysOnTheGo]

During the entire time the thieves are stealing a cat from a Prius, the lookout aims a firearm at the door of the house, probably because they are aware of security cameras.

Generally, it is illegal to run out of your house and shoot someone breaking into your car.

However, I wonder what happens when the thief is holding a gun to your home? I have to assume the thief has just changed what a homeowner would be allowed to do? No? Seems like it'd be better for the thief to not display a firearm at all.....

Glad to see others are asking the question, I've wondered the same.

If I saw that on my security camera, I wouldn't open the front door for risk of being instantly shot as soon as he saw the door start to open.

Would I then be legally justified in shooting him from a place in my home that he wasn't aiming at, such as a second story window?

 

[ma96782]

It Depends.....

On the DA and sometimes even on the racial extraction of the parties involved.

THIS is NOT a divisive post. Because it's what plenty of people are probably thinking nowadays but aren't allowed to say it.

LOL....BUT, But, but....JUSTICE is blind.

Rrrrrrright.....

Aloha, Mark

 

[308]

Didn't click but he might have had rickets as a child.

Like Orenthal James Simpson?

OJ Certaindeaf…

 

[made in china]

Like Orenthal James Simpson?
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OJ Certaindeaf…

OJ killed more than Omicron.....just sayin'

 

[Capn Jack]

He who gets in the first shot usually survives.
When they have a gun in hand...the back of the head works for me.

 

[oremike]

I'd be tempted to sneak out the back with a scoped rifle to have a bit more stand off and request that they surrender.