Can the condition of a modern firearm be described as "good" with rust?

[CamoDeafie]

In this day and age, it's all about pictures. I don't sell rusty guns because I don't buy them in the first place. When I've sold on Gunbroker, I've described the amount of remaining finish by percentage, which has been an accepted method for quite some time. That, with pictures, should give buyers a much better sense of the goods offered than subjective grading.

Here seems a problem. Photos may be older, of the firearm in question when it was last all shiney and clean, oiled maybe.. then socked away in a gun sock in somewhere humid, then sold and shipped as is with surface rust... what then? "Item not as described"?

 

[gmerkt]

Here seems a problem. Photos may be older, of the firearm in question when it was last all shiney and clean, oiled maybe.. then socked away in a gun sock in somewhere humid, then sold and shipped as is with surface rust... what then? "Item not as described"?

Anything is possible. I think using photos as the basis for describing a listing is a lot more accurate than verbal grading. Doctored photos are a type of fraud that can't be denied like wiggly NRA grades might be explained away. The idea of using "dated" pictures, that is, inaccurate due to degraded condition over time, that is probably not a very common practice. It takes time and careless use to incur significant change in condition. I just don't think that is something that is much practiced in online guns sales. And as you observe, subject to "not as described," surely.

 

[po18guy]

I may still be losing my mind, but this discussion wasn't evidence for it. My reading of the standards and conclusion were reasonable.

Pictures!!! Otherwise, what on earth are we arguing?

 

[ScottInPDX]

Pictures!!! Otherwise, what on earth are we arguing?

The rust was mainly internal, and the pictures provided by the seller did not show any of it.

I think we can all agree that the seller should have included pictures of the rust, regardless of the condition grade used. But I think there's still value in using the right words, and the discussion is about which words correctly describe the condition.

 

[coop44]

An Official Journal Of The NRA | Rust Bluing: Can You Do it At Home?

How tough it is to rust blue steel at home? Contributor Keith Wood investigates.

www.americanhunter.org

Its a bit more involved than that

Only as hard as you make it, rust bluing has been around longer than brownells.

 

[EUGENE the REALTOR]

Is there really a group A?

 

[CLT65]

I almost never sell a gun, but any time I sell anything, I try my very best to disclose any imperfections. Lots of good photos are a must.

Having something arrived with undisclosed rust would be a problem.

 

[ScottInPDX]

Is there really a group A?

Yep. There's at least one in this thread, and the other forum I was on had a ton of them.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

I personally prefer Group W , we got a cool bench.....
( Arlo Guthrie reference )
Andy