California Passes 11% excise tax on guns and ammunition

[wired]

No tax on making your own non-NFA firearms, other than State sales taxes depending on which State. Not 100% sure about ammunition components?

No excise tax on components for reloading. Its just finished ammo and complete guns.

 

[Stomper]

Theres never been a court case challenging the excise tax on firearms and ammo. Not that Ive ever been able to find.

My point is there's case law establishing that taxing the "implements" of exercising a right has been ruled unconstitutional and was struck down, maybe there needs to be a challenge based on that so it can at least work it's way through the courts.

 

[wired]

My point is there's case law establishing that taxing the "implements" of exercising a right has been ruled unconstitutional and was struck down, maybe there needs to be a challenge based on that so it can at least work it's way through the courts.

I suppose anything is possible until the few mil in attorney fees comes up

 

[Stomper]

I suppose anything is possible until the few mil in attorney fees comes up

Meh… mere chump-change!

 

[wired]

Meh… mere chump-change!

The NFA tax was ruled constitutional and it's also an excise tax so unless SCOTUS wants to buck precedence it doesn't sound like a winner

 

[Stomper]

The NFA tax was ruled constitutional and it's also an excise tax so unless SCOTUS wants to buck precedence it doesn't sound like a winner

Do you remember what case set that precedence? Are you referring to Cruikshank? If so I believe that case was dismissed because he died before the case was heard and his attorneys didn't bother to show…. 'cuz no client for payola.

 

[wired]

Do you remember what case set that precedence? Are you referring to Cruikshank? If so I believe that case was dismissed because he died before the case was heard and his attorneys didn't bother to show…. 'cuz no client for payola.

You mean Miller? If so it wasn't dismissed. The government just ruled the way it wanted the outcome to be.

 

[Stomper]

You mean Miller?

oops…. you're correct, Cruikshank was a different combination 1A, 2A, 14A matter from the days of yore….. it's early, I need more coffee!

 

[nammac]

No excise tax on components for reloading. Its just finished ammo and complete guns.

So manufacturers sell "kits" and you assemble at home, like the old CVA kits. Problem solved.

 

[wired]

So manufacturers sell "kits" and you assemble at home, like the old CVA kits. Problem solved.

Thats what you do now when you buy an AR lower and assemble the AR-15. You dont pay excise tax on that.

 

[nammac]

Thats what you do now when you buy an AR lower and assemble the AR-15. You dont pay excise tax on that.

Exactly. It'll need to extend to handguns, shotguns and rifles too. Screw'em on their taxing scheme.

 

[wired]

Exactly. It'll need to extend to handguns, shotguns and rifles too. Screw'em on their taxing scheme.

It does already. Lots of people build their own guns from available receivers and parts sets in states that allow it. Most do.

 

[ma96782]

"High Taxes, Heavy Regulation and Generally, Unfriendly Business Environment."

Whatever.....
I would say that CA's politics/politicians..... STINK!

Aloha, Mark

 

[wired]

"High Taxes, Heavy Regulation and Generally, Unfriendly Business Environment."

Whatever.....
I would say that CA's politics/politicians..... STINK!

Aloha, Mark

its worse than that. Bums "camping" on the side of the road trash all over. Crooks everywhere. California has turned into a complete craphole

 

[nammac]

"High Taxes, Heavy Regulation and Generally, Unfriendly Business Environment."

Whatever.....
I would say that CA's politics/politicians..... STINK!

Aloha, Mark

Kalifornia has quickly devolved into a third world Sh!thole. Well at least San Francisco, Los Angeles, Sacramento, et.al….

 

[RVTECH]

California has turned into a complete craphole

Oh no doubt about that - and I can speak with some experience having grown up there in a time when it was a nice place to live but I saw an interesting news story last night, specifically about CA residents who have moved to TX.

Several were interviewed and while some said they were satisfied with their move and were doing well in TX, others referenced many things they missed about CA, and some said they would be moving back and that they considered it 'home'.

 

[wired]

Oh no doubt about that - and I can speak with some experience having grown up there in a time when it was a nice place to live but I saw an interesting news story last night, specifically about CA residents who have moved to TX.

Several were interviewed and while some said they were satisfied with their move and were doing well in TX, others referenced many things they missed about CA, and some said they would be moving back and that they considered it 'home'.

Yeah, Ive got to do a business trip to Sacramento week after next. Not looking forward to it at all.

 

[thorborg]

1943 U.S. Supreme Court decision, Murdock v. Pennsylvania,

Contained within the Above decision:

The USSC also found, "A State may not impose a charge for the enjoyment of a right granted by the Federal Constitution." This means the entire Bill of Rights as opposed to just the First Amendment. It is similarly unconstitutional to charge a fee to exercise the right to vote, AKA, A poll tax

Not that truth, and justice are anything more than a comic book phrase.

 

[Tlock]

Yeah, Ive got to do a business trip to Sacramento week after next. Not looking forward to it at all.

I did 30 days down there for work last summer....boy was I glad to get home!

 

[wired]

1943 U.S. Supreme Court decision, Murdock v. Pennsylvania,

Contained within the Above decision:

The USSC also found, "A State may not impose a charge for the enjoyment of a right granted by the Federal Constitution." This means the entire Bill of Rights as opposed to just the First Amendment. It is similarly unconstitutional to charge a fee to exercise the right to vote, AKA, A poll tax

Not that truth, and justice are anything more than a comic book phrase.

Voting isn't even constitutionally protected.