Idaho Best approach to private party handgun sale

[The Heretic]

It is a Gun Registration scheme pure and simple... if its on a 4473 form its registered and since the ATF now requires FFL's to turn in records if they go out of business , instead of destroying them after 5 years, if you don't think they have a database of those records then I have a Bridge to sell you ! Registration will lead to confiscation history has proved time and time again !

Plus if I am not mistaken, they send the make/model/serial #, firearm type to the state for the BGC. Supposedly to check to see it is stolen, and they are not supposed to keep those records past X number of years, but as I have said before, once data is in a large computer system (like gov systems), multiple copies/backups are made, it is very easy to make unauthorized copies, and it is almost impossible to delete everywhere the data has been stored.

 

[rdtompki]

I'm in Idaho. Handshake deals without The Crown's prior approval is still legal. I don't sell to people who seem shifty or pull up in a car with out of state plates. I might ask to peek at a driver's license just to verify residence and ask, "Are you legal to purchase?" If it looks good, proceed. You can't KNOWINGLY sell to prohibited peoples. A bill of sale wouldn't hurt, I have no problem signing one as a buyer. As far as requiring a carry license, that's your prerogative as a seller. Just keep in mind that Idaho is a constitutional carry state so many residents view a permit as unnecessary, myself included.
I like doing deals in the Sportsman's parking lot. Plenty of people and they aren't the crowd to freak out at the sight of a firearm.

Welcome to Idaho!

 

[rdtompki]

Thanks for the welcome!. It's great to be in a free state and not just in regard to gun laws. I had come across the "knowingly" and that's comforting. In CA that word appears nowhere on the AG website or in the PC. The complex maze of gun laws is designed to trip up gun owners, raise fear of prosecution and reduce gun ownership. Just too bad I didn't have time to sell a few guns before I left CA.

 

[BSG 75]

I've looked over the forum and interweb. Seem to be no specific requirements other than the buyer can be prohibited and must be over 18. Sounds simple (compared to CA), but how does a seller insure that the buyer is not prohibited? One suggestion I've run across is to require evidence of a CCW license which makes a great deal of sense. I don't want to get jammed up by inadvertently selling to a felon. Thoughts?

And then there is the "where do you do the transfer": daylight, public place, .....

When I bought guns from private parties before 2015, I bought them at the seller's house at night, at their place of business during the day, and mostly in parking lots during the day.

Asking to see a concealed carry license is good. Or, you could offer to pay for the background check and transfer fee and have the transfer done at a FFL (find the lowest cost FFL in your area of course). The FFL might be confused as to why you are doing that since transferring through an FFL isn't required in Idaho. Paying for the background check and transfer fee is the price of peace of mind for you. Or, you could have a local gun store sell it for you on consignment. You determine the price, the gun dealer displays it along with his other goods for sale, and if it sells the dealer takes a percentage of the sale price as a consignment fee. You end up with a little less money, but it is the most hassle-free way to sell a gun. No need to arrange to meet somewhere, no worries about getting robbed, no worries about selling to a bad guy. However, only sell on consignment. Don't let the gun dealer talk you into selling it to him. He will probably give you only half of what you could sell it for yourself. Gun dealers aren't bad for doing that; like any business they have to maximize profit.

 

[thorborg]

Best approach to private party handgun sale
Some advocate for sideways, giving the thinnest profile possible, sun to your back with draw hand at the ready .
Seriously, if an unknown buyer with unknown buy sell creds, I used to use police public parking areas since the questionable sort isn't likely to do that.

 

[RicInOR]

There are a number of threads on this topic from years ago.

Debates on whether asking to see ID was too intrusive.
Whether a Bill of Sale was too much.
Ah, the good ol' days.

 

[maddog]

So, she me.

Seems to be a lot of that going on in NW Oregon these days, too!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[solv3nt]

Isn't Idaho a constitutional carry state? I know they offer a CPL for reciprocity, but do most do this?

 

[bbbass]

In CA that word appears nowhere on the AG website or in the PC. The complex maze of gun laws is designed to trip up gun owners, raise fear of prosecution and reduce gun ownership.

I believe that is what is happening in Oregon this year... a blitz of new gun control laws that will discourage gun ownership.

On the original topic: When my LE step-daughter, living in Nampa, wanted to buy a firearm for EDC, it was hard to find a seller that didn't want a CCW permit. Very difficult since she doesn't want to be on paper.

BTW as a seller I ALWAYS make a bill of sale, with make model serial and buyer's DL#, signed by both parties and I keep a copy in case there is ever an inquiry from law enforcement due to some bad deed done with the firearm I sold. It's CYA. If the buyer wont do that = no sale.

 

[bikemutt]

It makes me weep to think of all the handguns I bought from and sold to private parties back in the day, had I known then what I know now I would've kept every one of them

I crunched the numbers the other day, there were 594 of them

 

[coyotecaller]

Wish it was still as free here in WA like it is in ID. Miss them good old days of freedom. I could have bought a few quality handguns with the mandatory enforced background check fee money I spent on all the guns I bought last year. Funny how people can get used to freedom being trimmed away around them. The vise clamp gets tourqued tighter on our rights each year more and more yet nothing gets reversed in our favor. At least the Clinton assault rifle ban was set for a duration of a decade, now everything seems to be a permanent mandatory law. Reminds me of the process of gradually boiling a frog, it slowly gets used to the temperature until it cooks. Our slow but steady walk to socialism.
Ok, I've spilled my grief

 

[Zathras]

Isn't Idaho a constitutional carry state? I know they offer a CPL for reciprocity, but do most do this?

Indeed it is, and rightfully and thankfully so. I did not get one initially, but ultimately decided to get one. Many (myself included) get one not only for reciprocity, but also to remove some ambiguities with in-vehicle carry and with other non-handgun weapons (Constitutional Carry only covers handguns - CWL is broader). One key reason though is it lets one skip the extra background check when purchasing at an FFL. If you buy/transfer a lot in LGS's the first thing they ask you is 'got a CWL?'. You still fill out your 4473, but won't get a 'random hold of several days' like I've witnessed while waiting in line behind people that didn't have one.

Not saying I'd necessarily require one, but requesting a CWL and checking the expiration during a private sale provides some assurance that you've done your due diligence, given they could go down the street and buy in a LGS with one. Sure, they could have 'turned bad' in the span of time between acquisition and expiration, but that could happen, even with additional laws on the books.

 

[solv3nt]

Indeed it is, and rightfully and thankfully so. I did not get one initially, but ultimately decided to get one. Many (myself included) get one not only for reciprocity, but also to remove some ambiguities with in-vehicle carry and with other non-handgun weapons (Constitutional Carry only covers handguns - CWL is broader). One key reason though is it lets one skip the extra background check when purchasing at an FFL. If you buy/transfer a lot in LGS's the first thing they ask you is 'got a CWL?'. You still fill out your 4473, but won't get a 'random hold of several days' like I've witnessed while waiting in line behind people that didn't have one.

Not saying I'd necessarily require one, but requesting a CWL and checking the expiration during a private sale provides some assurance that you've done your due diligence, given they could go down the street and buy in a LGS with one. Sure, they could have 'turned bad' in the span of time between acquisition and expiration, but that could happen, even with additional laws on the books.

Thanks for the reply! I'll be moving to Boise in two years.
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