Banning bumpfire stocks

[Boboclown]

No and this is the typical jumping to conclusions that I see every other post on this forum. Im refer to one items thats it everybody just cant help them selfs from thinking one item will lead to everything else. And did you bother to read my post above the one you quoted?

So gun laws became LESS restrictive since 1934? Its because there is precedent for such concern. If it was not for the sunset clause, the assault weapons ban would have still been in place. A ban that I disagree with as much as I disagree with any other gun ban.

To many irresponsible individuals so yea maybe the government needs to step in to help control the stupid!

No. I may be biased due to wanting a smaller government, but asking for bigger government (and lets not kid ourselves, this would be asking for bigger government) is not a good idea.

Instead of band aid bans, perhaps we should look at the underlying issues behind most of the murders and mass shootings and solve that instead?

 

[safrole]

Bump stocks are Cracker Jack toys. Binary trigger however are something I won't part with so easily.

 

[Diamondback]

You want me to throw bumpfire under the bus? What are you gonna gimme in return?

If the answer is "Give us X or we'll TAKE X, Y, Z, A, B and C" all I have to say is "Eat sh*t and DIE, MF'er!"

Now if you want to put something of value on the table...
--Nationwide Carry
--HPA
--Reopen the MG Registry
--Schumer drawn and quartered by his own caucus on the Senate floor
--???
At least ONE of these is the minimum for me to even talk to you. Otherwise, GFY you POS...

 

[The Heretic]

Thought I would throw this out there. Banning thousands of bumpfire stocks will not stop people from bumpfiring their rifles or handguns by using two fingers or one finger and a wooden dowel or a rubber band or whatever else can be dreamed up. It won't take liberals to long to figure this out and start screaming for all semiautos to be banned since any semiauto can be bumpfired.

Bump-firing wasn't on the radar of the legislators until the shooting - either that or they are lying about being ignorant about it. Half a dozen, six of the other. Hard to know, but I am going to go with them being ignorant, it fits better in this case.

Gun control advocates? Maybe they will know - but again, it seems most of them are ignorant about guns too - at least from what I have seen them say. In general, it seems to me, that you have to actually use or at least be very interested in how guns work, in order to pick up on this, and most gun control advocates don't seem to go there.

So maybe they will try, but they have tried before. The gun control people doing what they do is not surprising at all - totally predictable by most of us.

What a lot of us have been ignoring, and that I have hinted at before this, is how fast the GOP and Trump and the NRA have caved on this issue. They are politicians and they go whichever way the wind blows - they will bend with it because they do not want to risk their powerbase and they have no real principles other than to stay in power at all cost.

If the diehard Trump/GOP supporters see this for what it is - see them for the liars they are, and stop supporting them - that may be the one good thing that comes out of this.

I stopped supporting the NRA and GOP back when the NRA and Reagan 'compromised' on the FOPA - we got a bit of 'protection' for crossing state lines at the cost of losing the right to have any new manufacturer full auto firearms. Totally screwed over the NFA community.

Then Bush made the import ban permanent.

These (NRA and GOP) are the people who said they would protect our Second Amendment rights. Did they?

**** NO!

Stop supporting the people who lie to you!

When are we going to wise up?

Trump is a con man. He has cheated people and stole from them. He is the worst of the worst.

WAKE THE **** UP PEOPLE!

 

[The Heretic]

Bump stocks are Cracker Jack toys. Binary trigger however are something I won't part with so easily.

The proposed law says nothing about bump stocks.

It refers to anything that will increase the rate of fire.

That includes binary triggers, cranks, whatever.

 

[IronMonster]

I have wanted a binary trigger for some time but the cost kept me from buying one. I ordered a Fostech this morning from the company's website $496 with shipping. Money I should not be spending at the moment but I would regret not spending if they do in fact make them go away....

Maybe I should take advantage of the panic and sell my "Bump Saw" at an inflated enough price to pay for my new trigger?

 

[RVTECH]

Heck the crank fire device looks a LOT more effective that a bump stock - and could be used with the gun on a tripod - but don't tell the ones wanting to ban this stuff!

 

[The Heretic]

Heck the crank fire device looks a LOT more effective that a bump stock - and could be used with the gun on a tripod - but don't tell the ones wanting to ban this stuff this!

A crank would be something a person could make in their home shop fairly easily.

 

[Motomom34]

Scary because I have heard many 2A supporters willing to give this one up. I have heard the arguments, I can see the logic but the issue is inch by inch, 2A is getting dissolved. This week listening to a radio host that had guns, loved guns and lived to protect 2A but he also mentioned bump stocks and said that they skated the line. The radio host kept asking "why are bump stocks allowed and why were they needed." People had trouble answering those questions.

 

[The Heretic]

I have wanted a binary trigger for some time but the cost kept me from buying one. I ordered a Fostech this morning from the company's website $496 with shipping. Money I should not be spending at the moment but I would regret not spending if they do in fact make them go away....

I have thought about it, but it is a lot of money for something like that, and I have to wonder whether they will grandfather such devices. If they do, then how do they preclude someone from making their own? The principles are fairly simple - I've done it with a blade from a feeler gauge at the cost of less than a dollar.

 

[The Heretic]

The radio host kept asking "why are bump stocks allowed and why were they needed." People had trouble answering those questions.

Because few people know what the Second Amendment is really about - they are ignorant. They have not taken the time or effort to learn.

 

[Diamondback]

Scary because I have heard many 2A supporters willing to give this one up. I have heard the arguments, I can see the logic but the issue is inch by inch, 2A is getting dissolved. This week listening to a radio host that had guns, loved guns and lived to protect 2A but he also mentioned bump stocks and said that they skated the line. The radio host kept asking "why are bump stocks allowed and why were they needed." People had trouble answering those questions.

The answer: "Because we have a Bill of Rights, not a Bill of NEEDS. The latter was tried--it's called the Communist Manifesto, and if you think it's a good idea then move to Venezuela, Cuba or some other Commie workers'-paradise hellhole."

 

[usmc]

im more worried about a man that knows how to shoot with a standard weapon, than one with a machine gun. how many people died at the hand of the old lever guns, pretty scary when you think about it.

 

[notazombie]

The proposed law says nothing about bump stocks.

It refers to anything that will increase the rate of fire.

That includes binary triggers, cranks, whatever.

I've found that energy drinks increase my rate of fire. Doesn't do a thing for my accuracy though. Just because I can fling lead faster doesn't make me more lethal.

 

[Boboclown]

Because few people know what the Second Amendment is really about - they are ignorant. They have not taken the time or effort to learn.

Who is the militia if not the people? Too many restrictions as is. I don't see why people are willing to give up freedom for a band aid legislation that won't fix anything. They should learn the history and reasoning behind the rights.

Gun control is defeated by politicians who are more than willing to sell guns to criminals. And what makes it so they make more money out of it? Gun control. Hell, the only difference between Leland Yee and the others is that he got caught trying to sell guns to criminals.

 

[RVTECH]

Because few people know what the Second Amendment is really about

Yep - it's about maintaining a balance between the People and the Government in it's most basic definition.

 

[Diamondback]

Kozinski, one of the few sane judges to ever occupy the Ninth Circus bench, once referred to 2A as a "Doomsday Clause" and IIRC "the people's ultimate Reset Button."

 

[Sniper03]

Isn't that the way the liberal socialist progressive Dems always react? Blaming an inanimate object for a terrible act. When it has always been a mentally deranged individual or political terrorist.
When they are the ones who scream individual rights over taking care of the true problem and mental ill issues.
It is now obvious according to the investigation that Paddock had some of the same characteristics and issues as all those prior to him. Not to mention the Valium Medication he was on and the booze consumption! Let them fix the real problem an stop making knee jerk legislation. I am almost sure the Bump Stock will be gone and probably some of the altered rapid fire triggers which are available. Or at least those items may be reclassified as a class III item by the ATF.
We could also find there is much more to Paddock that has not come to light at the present time.
IMO opinion even if it should turn out to be a terrorist act the government may try to hide the fact under the guidelines of mental illness which he certainly was regardless. I say this because when the Sheriff even mentioned the possibility and he thought Paddock had help. The FBI started the political correct cr** of he should not have said what he did! We will have to wait and see!
Bottom line God Bless all that were involved and their families at this time! And God Bless America!

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[IronMonster]

I have stayed out of this but I feel its time to give my two cents.

First... For those screaming "My 2nd Amendment!"
There is no constitutionally protected right to own firearms accessories. A bump fire stock is not a firearm and thus has no 2nd amendment protection. Taking away an accessory that is designed to simulate full auto fire is not infringing your 2nd amendment rights. I am sure this is the reasoning behind the NRA statement.

Do I agree with "banning" anything firearm related? No... I think actual full auto firearms should be available to anyone who wants one. Still does not change the fact that a stock is not a 2nd Amendment protected item.

Second. We are talking about an accessory that's entire reason for existing is to simulate a controlled firearm. Banning these would not set president. Its been done many times before banning items that when installed created full auto rates of fire. Wanting to regulated these like they regulated DIAS and other things that used to be available is not surprising.

Do I think it will solve anything? No, of course not. A criminal will not abide by the law. Someone who wants to shoot up a crowd can build a actual full auto rifle with very little skill required. Banning bump stocks will do nothing to stop nut jobs from shooting up a place...

Still.... Banning a hunk of plastic (or even placing it on a controlled list) is not the same as placing restrictions on or banning a firearm. I am not for banning bump stocks, but I am not really torn up about losing them either, its an accessory.

Given the circumstances and that fact we have 570 some victims in a huge mass casualty event involving a dozen or so AR15's..... The fact that they are making such a big stink about a hunk of bolt on plastic and not screaming for the total repeal of the 2nd amendment I count as a blessing.

I see the bumpfire stock as a token "give me" that might placate the anti's and get us through this tragedy without losing anything of actual value.

Do I like it? no. Do I think its right? no. Does this mean I am anti 2nd Amendment? Like I already stated this is not a 2nd Amendment issue, its not a firearm.

Do I think its going to stop this kind of madman? NO... Things are not responsible for evil, men are. Any sane and rational person understands this. Problem is the world is full of irrational/emotional people.

So yeah. I know its not a popular view point and I will get a raft of bubblegum for this. Still if you are objective and not emotional about it I am sure you can see the logic.

So best head on over to Gunbroker and get you a $900 bump fire while you still can.... Cuz my bet is they are history, and honestly I am not that broken up about it.

 

[Jsm11]

In the world of gun rights, you can never give an inch. This isn't a gun though, it's an accessory that's skirting the current laws (which are bullbubblegum)...

Never give an inch or you'll look back and realize they've taken a mile...