National ATF: Nobody else can shoot your NFA weapon, even when you are present

[HotRodGuy]

HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING THE REPLY
TO THE ATF'S QUESTION
COULD SOMEONE PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME
THANKS

*ATF 1- "Hey, is that legal?"
Law Abiding Citizen- "Those level 4 plates?"
*ATF 1- "Yeah, we need to go."
*ATF 2- " OK, yeah, let's get outta here."

 

[Droo]

All they have to do is wait for the video folks just have to make of them shooting.

Exactly right. More habitual line crossing nonsense by the alphabet agencies, as per usual.

 

[micdude]

So how is that working out for manufacturers’ demos at SHOT show right now?

Exactly impossible to enforce also you can put people on your trust and if you have a trust the trust is the actual owner.

 

[fd15k]

Actual federal law uses this particular wording in the context of machine guns :

in the possession or under the control of a person

ATF can inject murky text on their website or in their forms all they want, but the question is whether it would stand in court when the USC says control is the minimum bar and not the physical possession.

 

[street]

Per NSSF, the ATF has indicated that the guidance in the FAC is incorrect (see linked article below).

ATF website offers incorrect guidance on NFA compliance

 

[GWS]

Per NSSF, the ATF has indicated that the guidance in the FAC is incorrect (see linked article below).

ATF website offers incorrect guidance on NFA compliance

Thanks for posting that.

 

[jamez]

Per NSSF, the ATF has indicated that the guidance in the FAC is incorrect (see linked article below).

ATF website offers incorrect guidance on NFA compliance

fantastic!

 

[ma96782]

When TYRANTs get comfortable. Oh well.......

NOW.....it's been corrected. No Harm Done. Rrrrrrright........

Aloha, Mark

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Emailed the [email protected] for an official stance on letting others use your NFA weapons while in your presence and this is what I got:



...lol

Cool beans!!

Dominion and control means ownership or right to the [firearm] [offensive weapon] and the power or authority to manage, regulate or oversee its use." Iowa Crim. Jury Instructions 2400.9.

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[nehalemguy]

So........obvious question. How did that little faux pas get into the FAQ sheet without someone at ATF saying "Hey! What's that?".

-E-

 

[E4mafia]

Wait.....
So does this apply to the military too?

I didn't own any of the equipment when enlisted as I was constantly told this over and over and over and over, if I lost or abused said item I was liable.

Does this mean we just disarmed our armed forces or do they get to use some loophole?

 

[ma96782]

RE : Post #69
Since it was mentioned here......
Dominion, Domain what's the difference?

Rrrrrright......maybe this would help to explain things?

Aloha, Mark

Yup.......https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/90efd591-6b52-4be2-995c-1a43ebadabeb

 

[wired]

So........obvious question. How did that little faux pas get into the FAQ sheet without someone at ATF saying "Hey! What's that?".

-E-

They probably had an intern do it.

 

[Ben B.]

Or somebody tried a little fuqqerie and it failed once the heat was turned up.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Forgetting about this ATF mistake for a second, lets say your nfa items are owned by your gun trust and you wanted to let someone borrow your nfa item and you will not be there. Can you add that person to the gun trust and have their membership automatically expire the day after they use the gun? Seems like that would be an easy way to do it. But I guess if you had to have it notarized every time you add someone or if that new person would have to send fingerint cards to ATF then it wouldn't work becasue too much PITA.

 

[Martini_Up]

oops!

 

[wired]

Forgetting about this ATF mistake for a second, lets say your nfa items are owned by your gun trust and you wanted to let someone borrow your nfa item and you will not be there. Can you add that person to the gun trust and have their membership automatically expire the day after they use the gun? Seems like that would be an easy way to do it. But I guess if you had to have it notarized every time you add someone or if that new person would have to send fingerint cards to ATF then it wouldn't work becasue too much PITA.

You could .