National ATF coming for pistol braces

[The Heretic]

And as I said, you cannot get more authoritative than the the United States Supreme Court. Their holdings trump the rulings of the 8th Circuit. What you are not considering is that it is unconstitutional to pass an ex post facto law. Of course the government will take your property if you don't file the appropriate actions objecting to being deprived of due process and compensation by way of an ex post facto law.

And so far, has anybody been compensated for their bump stocks?

Did you not read the cites I provided?

 

[coop44]

And here I was thinking it was a penis brace..........it fit so well

 

[clanhanson]

All gun laws are infringements.

If there weren't any dumb people or widespread mental health issues I'd agree with you.

 

[User 1234]

And here I was thinking it was a penis brace..........it fit so well

So the 13.5" max length wouldn't be a problem?

 

[Rkangel]

Morbid academic curiosity aside, the fact that many are giving serious thought towards how to meet this draconian point system is like saying, "The ATF will only let me use this firearm if I sever both thumbs, put a tourniquet around my neck, place the muzzle against my head and pull the trigger, without using sights of course. I think I can make it work depending on the bullet missing any major lobes of my brain and how many IQ points I can afford to lose."

 

[clanhanson]

So the 13.5" max length wouldn't be a problem?

Not unless you're Dirk Diggler

 

[CamoDeafie]

Morbid academic curiosity aside, the fact that many are giving serious thought towards how to meet this draconian point system is like saying, "The ATF will only let me use this firearm if I sever both thumbs, put a tourniquet around my neck, place the muzzle against my head and pull the trigger, without using sights of course. I think I can make it work depending on the bullet missing any major lobes of my brain and how many IQ points I can afford to lose."

That just tells you that some of the "law-abiding" gun owners are really "boot licking statists" me... well. As far as they know? Not a criminal. Not a felon. Not a potential enemy.

 

[American123]

If there weren't any dumb people or widespread mental health issues I'd agree with you.

Ah, can you point me to the constitution where it says anything about that?

 

[Knebel]

I mean... it looks like what kills my "points" is that the brace is adjustable. I personally dont care much for the adjustability but...oh well. What really gets me is the thing with the sights. Cant have a red dot AND backup sights? They are talking about rifle sights...idk what that is!?

 

[The Heretic]

I mean... it looks like what kills my "points" is that the brace is adjustable. I personally dont care much for the adjustability but...oh well. What really gets me is the thing with the sights. Cant have a red dot AND backup sights? They are talking about rifle sights...idk what that is!?

I do care about adjustability and I do not see how adjustability makes a pistol with an adjustable brace any more like a rifle - as long as the LOP is still within the arbitrary limits the ATF mandates. I am sure they just went looking for whatever "features" they could throw at the checklist that would help them "ban" braces as much as possible.

 

[Knebel]

I do care about adjustability and I do not see how adjustability makes a pistol with an adjustable brace any more like a rifle - as long as the LOP is still within the arbitrary limits the ATF mandates. I am sure they just went looking for whatever "features" they could throw at the checklist that would help them "ban" braces as much as possible.

Agreed. 100%. I misworded this... i meant, I could live with a non adjustable.

 

[titsonritz]

Yup. And every ad for braces is tongue and cheek and hints at how obvious it is that they're just funny looking stocks. I think they're super fun but a pistol with a brace is an SBR without a doubt.

And "shall not be infringed" means "shall not be infringed".

 

[Rkangel]

I do care about adjustability and I do not see how adjustability makes a pistol with an adjustable brace any more like a rifle - as long as the LOP is still within the arbitrary limits the ATF mandates. I am sure they just went looking for whatever "features" they could throw at the checklist that would help them "ban" braces as much as possible.

I'm surprised that they didn't claim FDE furniture was more dangerous than black. Makes as much sense as the other "criteria" they use to determine SBR. Because, clearly flip up sights are more deadly than fixed sights. Optics are more deadly than open sights. And visual flair that make a brace look like a stock will obviously make your now "illegal SBR" jump out of a racist attack helicopter into a crowd of peaceful protesters and start firing indiscriminately at baby pandas and harp seals while waving a confederate flag and eating jerky made from humpback whales and spotted owls.

That has to be worth at least 750 points.

 

[The Heretic]

I'm surprised that they didn't claim FDE furniture was more dangerous than black. Makes as much sense as the other "criteria" they use to determine SBR. Because, clearly flip up sights are more deadly than fixed sights. Optics are more deadly than open sights.

I am sure somebody or some committee was assigned the task of coming up with the list. They probably looked at what items on an AR/AK pistol were similar to a rifle and/or facilitated using an arm brace as a stock, and at what items are not usual on a "conventional" handgun (not an AR/AK/etc.).

"Rifle sights" are not usually found on a Glock or a revolver.

Optics with eye relief of less than say, six inches, are typically not found on a conventional handgun like a Glock or revolver - for obvious reasons, but may commonly be found on an AR/AK "pistol" with a brace.

Ditto with bipods - not very common on conventional handguns.

 

[Knebel]

I'm thinking about emailing the ATF and asking for some clear definitions on those accessories and sights on what is a rifle sight and what is not. I'll just be asking that i need something that holds up in a court?

 

[titsonritz]

Ditto with bipods - not very common on conventional handguns.

Really?

 

[CamoDeafie]

Really?

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These are not conventional handguns

 

[Knebel]

Really?

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Look at those illegal sbrs lol wow

 

[titsonritz]

These are not conventional handguns

Says who?

 

[titsonritz]

Look at those illegal sbrs lol wow

I guess the biggest concern is the white redneck hiding in the tall grass with his rifle powered handgun.