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Yeah, I just do not get it. When the OPTIMAL product is readily available and inexpensive why would anyone look for lesser alternatives?
So, in your personal experience, how has ATF failed you?
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Yeah, I just do not get it. When the OPTIMAL product is readily available and inexpensive why would anyone look for lesser alternatives?
Why would I use it? Gun oil is cheap, abundant, and specially made for gun. Why would I look for a lesser alternative? Especially one that will get gummy at low temps.So, in your personal experience, how has ATF failed you?
The way to do that properly is to allow the car to idle until it reaches operating temp, and then another hour. Properly done the car is never driven.Running it at 20% for its cleaning properties is a whole different thing than draining the crankcase and putting back 3 quarts of ATF as mentioned earlier.
Back when I was much younger it was common for guys to replace all of their motor oil with ATF and drive them for a while in an attempt to get them to stop burning oil. It was believed that this would do no damage and would free the rings. I've seen several engines burned up that way.
Have you been comprehending what's been said PP?Why would I use it? Gun oil is cheap, abundant, and specially made for gun. Why would I look for a lesser alternative? Especially one that will get gummy at low temps.
Ever heard of a "snake-oil" salesman?I have more than a few guns which I clean quite often (almost obsessively) and a couple bucks worth of gun oil lasts me for a year or more. Why would anyone ever need to take risks with alternatives?
Ummm....have you ever changed old transmission fluid? When it starts to break down or becomes oxidized it turns very gummy. Why would I put it on my guns when stuff made for my guns (which is very heap) is just as easy to find? I pay $2 for a bottle that last me a year. How much are you saving by using something that is possibly inferior? $1.50 a year? Why would anyone do that for that small amount of savings?Have you been comprehending what's been said PP?
ATF doesn't get gummy at cold temps. ATF doesn't leave a harmful residue of ANY kind.
You can buy more expensive lube for your guns that smell nicer, and lubes for your guns that may stain fabric less.
But I SERIOUSLY doubt you can buy one that will do a better job of lubing ANY mechanical device that calls for a light-oil lubricant.
Then surely you have seen it get gummy. Give me one good reason to use it over gun oil? Is saving a buck or maybe two a year worth it? Especially since ATF does not usually come in easy to store and handle spray bottles like my gun oil does. If you say "buy a spray bottle to put it in" you just deleted your only reason for using it.Considering that I worked in two different auto trans shops for a total of over 6 years, I'd say I have probably seen as much, or more ATF in every conceivable condition than anyone here,...
Any other questions?
If you have a gun capable of burning/oxidizing ATF-as-lubricant, you have a problem that NO oil will fix.
Buy all the gun oil you want PP. It's your money, and your convenience, and your sense of smell etc.Then surely you have seen it get gummy. Give me one good reason to use it over gun oil? Is saving a buck or maybe two a year worth it? Especially since ATF does not usually come in easy to store and handle spray bottles like my gun oil does. If you say "buy a spray bottle to put it in" you just deleted your only reason for using it.
Why would I use it? Gun oil is cheap, abundant, and specially made for gun. Why would I look for a lesser alternative? Especially one that will get gummy at low temps.
Well..........I don't believe that I have to belabor the point that the original poster is looking for people with ACTUAL experience using it. If you don't use it, and you haven't used it, why all the talking smack against it?
I have more than a few guns which I clean quite often (almost obsessively) and a couple bucks worth of gun oil lasts me for a year or more. Why would anyone ever need to take risks with alternatives?
Although its nice to know I could sub another type of oil if I had to (perhaps some kind of survival situation) I just don't see the point for normal use. Some very smart people with degrees in chemistry and engineering have been developing and selling specific gun oils and cleaners for eons now... why not use them?
+1 on these.I spent hundreds on my firearms. Why would I quibble over a few $ for good premium gun oil ? While ATF seems like a good high temperature lubricant, I see no reason to deviate from a well established gun oil.
It might just be me, but it seems that you are taking this whole ATF vs. gun oil thing very personally.Buy all the gun oil you want PP. It's your money, and your convenience, and your sense of smell etc.
But don't tell me that gun oil lubes better.
Just because you like it, or you think it's easier to apply, doesn't make it lubricate better.
ATF doesn't get gummy. It breaks down if you overheat it (450*+ F), but then it gets thin and watery.
The only "gummy" ATF I ever saw was some that came out of a trans that someone vandalized by putting Karo syrup in,...
But it wasn't the ATF that provided the "gum."
It sounds like you are thinking about gear lube, which is completely different stuff.