National Anarchists and Guns

[GWS]

IBTL

 

[NW Backpacker]

The point is, if we as Pro 2A proponents can't have a discussion about protecting our rights w/o getting mucked up the politics of if all we are doomed. Let's stay focused on what we agree upon, not what we don't.

To much to ask?

First reaction was "yes, too much to ask" since it seems that keeping our 2A rights are dependent on politics. Given the "shall not be infringed" clause, 2A rights should not even be up for discussion, but obviously that is not reality today.

Then I watched the Salute to America speech by the President. NO POLITICS in it!!!!! Hard to believe, but true. It's just history, a salute to each branch of the armed forces, and more. Presentation of Colors at 3:40. President and First Lady arrive at 6:40. Maybe it is possible to become less political.

Oh yeah, more great ads from NWFA:

 

[darkminstrel]

I'm firmly in the upper right center of the upper right quadrant, a libertarian. More individual than conservative, admirer of Ayn Rand, who was staunchly anti-communist, having lived under the boot of it. In a letter written on March 19, 1944, Ayn Rand remarked: "Fascism, Nazism, Communism and Socialism are only superficial variations of the same monstrous theme—collectivism."

Couldn't have enumerated my stance in a more clear manner. Well put, and I agree completely.

But I demand an apology for you assuming I didn't know what "fomenting" meant.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

I want nothing to do with those who wish to tear this country apart and replace it with their own brand of favorite government...
Or those who wish to rule at the expense of others...
Nor do I want any dealings with those for who "it is for me , but not for thee"...or any other variation of :
"We can do this , but you can not."

To all of those who wish to subvert or twist the Constitution and Bill of Rights to suit their own needs and agenda...and depart from the goals , ideas , notions and reasons that are spelled out for all legal US Citizens...

Be careful of those quiet few , who , know what they are about , for the wrath of a angry quiet man , with nothing to lose is very dangerous.
When folks are or feel that they are pushed into a corner , not of their own making , they will often push back....
Lets hope that it never comes to this.
Andy

 

[The Heretic]

Portland Police on Twitter

 

[bbbass]

Couldn't have enumerated my stance in a more clear manner. Well put, and I agree completely.

But I demand an apology for you assuming I didn't know what "fomenting" meant.

Thanx!

If the foo sch!ts.... Nah, you know I wasn't writing about you!

 

[bbbass]

You're absolutely right about the sides. I worded my response poorly; I really just meant to say that there are more than two "sides". In some way the Y axis on that chart matters more to me than the X axis.

Your post is very good. I think you and I see thing much the same way.

Thanx for understanding! I didn't want you to think I was going after you... I really liked the chart!!!

 

[bbbass]

I don't think the typical Antifa goon has any clue what Fascism really is. If they did, they would be opposing the fascists in Salem.

Libertarian leaning people by definition cannot be fascist.

I think that most of the AntiFa people are young and vulnerable to ideological lies and persuasion, particularly that of radical university profs.

What is that definition? Just curious...... I realize that they are not Liberals, So how would they not be included/excluded. Appreciate the input. Thanks.

Libertarians, be they left leaning, or right leaning, are all about individualism; ie, sovereign citizenship, go-your-way, leave-us-alone, living independently of government rule.

For sure, small "l" "libertarian" ideology, not to be confused with the Libertarian party, is all about being left to prosper or fail on our own. We don't need and especially don't want either a nanny-state govt, nor a dominating govt... they are both anathema to a true libertarian.

I was watching Tucker Carlson the other night and he was talking about the Repubs being run by libertarian donors. Seemed to take umbrage with that. Tho I have to say that I also don't like the basic idea of a party being run by the donors. I guess it is the reality.

Last post before closure!!!! Yay!!!

Lol.

IBTL

I learned something new!!!

 

[mrblond]

I want nothing to do with those who wish to tear this country apart and replace it with their own brand of favorite government...
Or those who wish to rule at the expense of others...
Nor do I want any dealings with those for who "it is for me , but not for thee"...or any other variation of :
"We can do this , but you can not."

To all of those who wish to subvert or twist the Constitution and Bill of Rights to suit their own needs and agenda...and depart from the goals , ideas , notions and reasons that are spelled out for all legal US Citizens...

Be careful of those quiet few , who , know what they are about , for the wrath of a angry quiet man , with nothing to lose is very dangerous.
When folks are or feel that they are pushed into a corner , not of their own making , they will often push back....
Lets hope that it never comes to this.
Andy

Have to remember o'l King George thought the same way.
In my opinion we either need to have our freedoms and defend it or not have them at all, that included the people we may not like or that may cause us harm.. If we do not, we are no better then the government and their billionaire backers who with to disarm us

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Have to remember o'l King George thought the same way.
In my opinion we either need to have our freedoms and defend it or not have them at all, that included the people we may not like or that may cause us harm.. If we do not, we are no better then the government and their billionaire backers who with to disarm us

Nope...
As I am living Now...and in the country that was needing to be founded...
Not the same case as I was pointing out.

As well as the other things I pointed out...
Like twisting the Constitution and Bill of Rights for their own agenda and needs..
Hard to do if those things weren't around yet to bother King George...
Andy
Edit to add :
I am not trying to sound snarky here...sorry if I came across that way...
Some of my postings here , have been misread or have had "read" too much into them...

 

[CLT65]

I think that most of the AntiFa people are young and vulnerable to ideological lies and persuasion, particularly that of radical university profs.

This is very true, and I think it points to a basic truth about human nature. It's been this way throughout human history. Young people are very impressionable, always have been. That's not a bad thing, just how it is. Intellect really develops in the teen years, and by the time you graduate high school and start college you're feeling pretty smart. If you're intellectual by nature, your ability to understand the world, history, politics, etc. seems so clear, and you're ready to take on the world and solve all of it's problems. You're full of energy, confidence, and self-righteousness. You're going to "Change the World!"

College professors often live in their own little world, a world of theory, where their ideology looks great on paper. They are surrounded by their peers who all see things the way they do, and students hungry for knowledge, who sit at their feet and soak up their every word.

A few years later most of us have matured because we've met the real world, and realized that it's messy. Nothing is ever as easy and clear-cut as it seemed in theory and ideology. Sometimes you realize that your ideological opponent has a good point, even if you don't agree with them. You often realize that your ideological opponent is rarely evil, stupid, or crazy as you assumed, but most often are well meaning people who just believe something different from you.

 

[bbbass]

This is very true, and I think it points to a basic truth about human nature. It's been this way throughout human history. Young people are very impressionable, always have been. That's not a bad thing, just how it is. Intellect really develops in the teen years, and by the time you graduate high school and start college you're feeling pretty smart. If you're intellectual by nature, your ability to understand the world, history, politics, etc. seems so clear, and you're ready to take on the world and solve all of it's problems. You're full of energy, confidence, and self-righteousness. You're going to "Change the World!"

College professors often live in their own little world, a world of theory, where their ideology looks great on paper. They are surrounded by their peers who all see things the way they do, and students hungry for knowledge, who sit at their feet and soak up their every word.

A few years later most of us have matured because we've met the real world, and realized that it's messy. Nothing is ever as easy and clear-cut as it seemed in theory and ideology. Sometimes you realize that your ideological opponent has a good point, even if you don't agree with them. You often realize that your ideological opponent is rarely evil, stupid, or crazy as you assumed, but most often are well meaning people who just believe something different from you.

I was once a liberal, during my teen years... the years of Vietnam... damn those azzhats that spit on soldiers tho, soldiers in the field don't create policy and don't start wars!!

I'm having a hard time maintaining a thought that college professors are not evil. So many radicals bent on destruction/deconstruction. They must feel and think how Lenin felt and thought. That the structure was so rotten it had to be torn down. It's depressing.

 

[bbbass]

Sooooo, what do the Anarchists plan on doing with their firearms?

Since anarchy is basically a state of unrule, is that what they want to create? Are they worried that once they create chaos, it will bite them in the butte?

 

[CLT65]

I'm having a hard time maintaining a thought that college professors are not evil. So many radicals bent on destruction/deconstruction. They must feel and think how Lenin felt and thought. That the structure was so rotten it had to be torn down. It's depressing.

I didn't mean to imply that I thought they were all well-meaning and altruistic. Some are just power hungry egomaniacs with few principles at all, and others are radical, self-absorbed ideologues who are so arrogantly certain of their own moral and intellectual superiority that they are completely incapable of recognizing any evidence that contradicts their own belief system.

 

[bbbass]

I didn't mean to imply that I thought they were all well-meaning and altruistic. Some are just power hungry egomaniacs with few principles at all, and others are radical, self-absorbed ideologues who are so arrogantly certain of their own moral and intellectual superiority that they are completely incapable of recognizing any evidence that contradicts their own belief system.

You silver tongued devil... can I give you 20 likes??? (I better not be seeing this in Members Quotes Out of Context!!!)

 

[shibbershabber]

Im all for it. Let them be armed. Why not.

Best case, nothing happens and they grow in numbers and sway the Dem agenda away from gun control.... highly unlikely...

worst case, they all arm up and become militant and the country literally tears itself apart....

Sure, these guys are arming themselves strictly for the purposes of revolution and a political/cultural cleansing... but what can ya do?

 

[CLT65]

Best case, nothing happens and they grow in numbers and sway the Dem agenda away from gun control.... highly unlikely...

Exceptionally unlikely, since their view of gun ownership is generally quite different from ours. Our side has long been committed to the ideal that we all have the right to own firearms, regardless of ideology. Leftist "gun owners" generally don't see things that way. They want theirs, just in case, but they certainly don't want you to have yours.

Anecdotal evidence of this is an acquaintance of mine. He was always a lefty, but not so bad on guns. After the '16 election he really went off the rails and became a full-blown wacko. He would rant about how all Trump voters needed to be rounded up and sent to re-education camps, how gun owners are all evil, selfish old white guys who just want their toys and don't care that children are dying, etc..

He wants complete gun control, round them all up. When asked if he was going to turn his in, he said absolutely not; he would be needing them to defend himself against the crazy right-wingers. He views guns as a tool for political power, but certainly not an individual right. I think you'll find that's a much more common view on the left, especially the extreme left.

 

[AshWilliams]

To be clear, I don't read Vox, someone I follow on Twitter posted it. Thought it was worth sharing.

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that you should read anything and everything and use your own critical reasoning to form your own opinions. There's a misattributed quote of Aristotle but is nevertheless a good quote I think:
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

Cheers!

 

[JedB]

If you don't eat your meat , you can't have any pudding...
Andy

Pink Floyd approves.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Pink Floyd approves.

The band is just fantastic , that is really what I think... Oh by the way , which one's Pink...?
Andy