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Andy
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WOW,now there's some things I didn't think of. I can just imagine the hesitation a teacher would have when drawn down on one of their students. And the look on the other students faces after the shooting. I imagine it would cause a teacher to transfer or resignThank You Provinical.
First let me state right off the bat , that if you can carry and feel confident that you can and have the willingness to use your handgun safely and effectively, then carry everyday and every where.
I would carry in my school if I could.
That being said , I do have some concerns about carrying in schools.
It seems to me that most school shooters are current students or former students.
What needs to be thought of or talked about is that the staff member might be shooting a kid. One that they may know , or that their students know , in front of other students.
Another thing to consider is the mere fact that you know the kid could sway you into a wrong decision.
This not a case of shooting a strange home intruder or a store robber or even a terrorist.
I am talking about someone you might know or have taught.
I teach in Special Education at our high school.
My students already have special needs and issues that need to be worked with and through. I worry about the trauma they will have if they see me shoot someone.
Or the trauma a teacher will have over having to shoot a kid.
I understand that a lifetime of trauma and the counseling that goes with it , is better than being dead.
I 'm just saying think about what you are asking these teachers and staff members to do if they have to.
Having been through combat , I know what I am willing and capable of doing . Which goes along with my statement in my first post of "doing everything I can and pull any dirty trick to get my kids home safe."
Again I am not against carrying anywhere .
As I said I would if I could.
I'm just asking that those that do carry or those that ask others to carry in school , consider what I have said.
Andy
Maybe not even 99% of CC holders?It is just not feasible for 99% of people to be ready to take someone else's life even in defense of their own.
Agreed but wasn't going into decimals.Maybe not even 99% of CC holders?
I'm old and I am only concerned with protecting myself and my wife. For example: We're in a mall and a guy starts killing people. If we can get away, we will. If we can't, and we are hiding against a money machine and he fires at us and starts moving our way, I will fire back, as long as he keeps moving towards us. If he, after I shoot once, decides not to bother us and he turns in the other direction, I will stop firing. Everyone should not be judged for the decision they make to be or not to be a hero. The only person I am concerned in protecting is my wife and myself.Greetings Ladies and Gentlemen,
The following is my opinion on the topic. I'm sharing it in hopes that it will benefit others. Either because you agree and gain some perspective, or because you disagree and gain some perspective.
Regardless, I'm not casting judgment on anyone no matter what your position is. In my life I find that I learn, and absorb more, by asking people questions and hearing their point of view.
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I'm turning 42 years old this year. I have my CHL, and I don't carry all the time.
Regarding an active shooter situation; my personal rules of engagement are these.
1.) If it's just me and my kids, then my first priority is to get my kids out safe.
2.) If I'm with someone, then they get the kids out and I engage the shooter.
3.) If I'm alone, I engage the shooter.
These are my personal rules, whether I'm carrying a firearm or not.
It's simply not feasible to carry all the time. And even if you are carrying at the time our own 4 Rules of Firearms Safety teach us that most popular active shooter scenarios it is highly probable that won't be allowed to fire anyway due to crowds and unsafe backgrounds.
But our motto (as a populace) should be "Fight Back". Fight back with whatever tools you have at your disposal.
As firearms enthusiasts, we know how much ground can be covered in 1.5 seconds. We also know how hard it is to hit a moving target. We know how adrenaline, and tunnel vision reduces fine motor skills and effects our ability to aim, focus, and shoot. We also know that people don't blow up when they're hit with a bullet like they show in the movies. We can use these to our advantage. Throw a stapler, or a book, or whatever is nearby. Even if does no damage, it's human instinct to flinch and look away from something flying at you. (Try it yourself: Have someone throw something soft and fluffy in your face and see if you can keep your eyes open through impact.) A flinch buys time, and allows you to close distance. It will also draw the shooters attention to you. Which will allow others to get away. Or it will allow the other sheepdog charging from the rear to gain ground while you distract. Even if you take a couple rounds, there is no guarantee that it's going to take you down. Tupac was shot 9 times and lived. That old dude in chicago was shot 68 times by the police and lived. That 16 year old girl in Clackamas took a .223 to the chest and lived. You're either going to close the distance and take the guy down with a tackle or you're going to focus the shooters attention on you long enough to help others get away.
Don't get me wrong. I'm a strong supporter of Gun Rights. I just don't think it's feasible to carry all the time. And again... even if you ARE carrying, it might not be the right tool for the job. As a citizen carrying legally you DO NOT have qualified immunity like the police do. It doesn't matter what your intent is... if you shoot an innocent you will pay the price for it. It doesn't matter if you keep attorney's on retainer or not. Having a justified shoot might keep you from going to jail, but look at Zimmerman, or Officer Darren Wilson. Both legal shoots, both ruined for life.
Everyone must gauge their own personal stance on the topic. Speed vs Safety. Obviously the safest fashion to store your guns would be completely dismantled, magazine empty and locked up in a safe at home... ammo stored at a neighbors house. The fastest would be to just carry your gun in your hand at all times. Screw the holster, that just slows things down. Neither of those are very reasonable in my opinion. So we each need to choose where we fall in between those two extremes.
I offer this up simply as a discussion topic. And I certainly hope this doesn't lead to mockery, or name calling, or judgments. We're obviously (nationally) are in a fight for our rights as gun owners. There are people who are devoted Pro-Gun, devoted Anti-Gun and then there are a whole lot of people in the middle who are undecided. Calling people names and mocking people who don't agree with our point of view is not going to sway anyone to our side of the aisle.
Thank you
Greetings Ladies and Gentlemen,
The following is my opinion on the topic. I'm sharing it in hopes that it will benefit others. Either because you agree and gain some perspective, or because you disagree and gain some perspective.
Regardless, I'm not casting judgment on anyone no matter what your position is. In my life I find that I learn, and absorb more, by asking people questions and hearing their point of view.
***
I'm turning 42 years old this year. I have my CHL, and I don't carry all the time.
Regarding an active shooter situation; my personal rules of engagement are these.
1.) If it's just me and my kids, then my first priority is to get my kids out safe.
2.) If I'm with someone, then they get the kids out and I engage the shooter.
3.) If I'm alone, I engage the shooter.
These are my personal rules, whether I'm carrying a firearm or not.
It's simply not feasible to carry all the time. And even if you are carrying at the time our own 4 Rules of Firearms Safety teach us that most popular active shooter scenarios it is highly probable that won't be allowed to fire anyway due to crowds and unsafe backgrounds.
But our motto (as a populace) should be "Fight Back". Fight back with whatever tools you have at your disposal.
As firearms enthusiasts, we know how much ground can be covered in 1.5 seconds. We also know how hard it is to hit a moving target. We know how adrenaline, and tunnel vision reduces fine motor skills and effects our ability to aim, focus, and shoot. We also know that people don't blow up when they're hit with a bullet like they show in the movies. We can use these to our advantage. Throw a stapler, or a book, or whatever is nearby. Even if does no damage, it's human instinct to flinch and look away from something flying at you. (Try it yourself: Have someone throw something soft and fluffy in your face and see if you can keep your eyes open through impact.) A flinch buys time, and allows you to close distance. It will also draw the shooters attention to you. Which will allow others to get away. Or it will allow the other sheepdog charging from the rear to gain ground while you distract. Even if you take a couple rounds, there is no guarantee that it's going to take you down. Tupac was shot 9 times and lived. That old dude in chicago was shot 68 times by the police and lived. That 16 year old girl in Clackamas took a .223 to the chest and lived. You're either going to close the distance and take the guy down with a tackle or you're going to focus the shooters attention on you long enough to help others get away.
Don't get me wrong. I'm a strong supporter of Gun Rights. I just don't think it's feasible to carry all the time. And again... even if you ARE carrying, it might not be the right tool for the job. As a citizen carrying legally you DO NOT have qualified immunity like the police do. It doesn't matter what your intent is... if you shoot an innocent you will pay the price for it. It doesn't matter if you keep attorney's on retainer or not. Having a justified shoot might keep you from going to jail, but look at Zimmerman, or Officer Darren Wilson. Both legal shoots, both ruined for life.
Everyone must gauge their own personal stance on the topic. Speed vs Safety. Obviously the safest fashion to store your guns would be completely dismantled, magazine empty and locked up in a safe at home... ammo stored at a neighbors house. The fastest would be to just carry your gun in your hand at all times. Screw the holster, that just slows things down. Neither of those are very reasonable in my opinion. So we each need to choose where we fall in between those two extremes.
I offer this up simply as a discussion topic. And I certainly hope this doesn't lead to mockery, or name calling, or judgments. We're obviously (nationally) are in a fight for our rights as gun owners. There are people who are devoted Pro-Gun, devoted Anti-Gun and then there are a whole lot of people in the middle who are undecided. Calling people names and mocking people who don't agree with our point of view is not going to sway anyone to our side of the aisle.
Thank you