A Democratic Disaster?

[Kevatc]

Gun Laws Highlight Deepening Democratic Disarray | Fox News

I'm a registered Democrat, mainly so that I can support pro-gun Democrats in primary elections. 2014 is upon us. This was the wrong time for Democrats to jump on the gun control bandwagon. 2014 will be a disaster for them.

I agree with you. If there is any issue that is really going to blow up in the Dem's face it will be the gun issue.

I had a gal from the Oregon Dem party call and ask for financial support a couple weeks ago. I asked her why in the world would I give support to an organization that is looking to screw me over on the 2A. She laughed sheepishly and said " I get it .... I come from a family that loves to hunt. Have nice evening.

It's an interestin twist (to me anyways) that the media keeps saying the vast majority of the nation is frimly behind background checks. I think the media is waaay overstating the support for that idea. As mancat said in post #3 most Dem's don't support a gun control agenda. So, if the media is correct that there is overwhelming support then why is the gun control argument not gaining traction but instead seems to be slipping? It's because mancat is correct .... most Dem's don't support it.

 

[RoneKiln]

Elections are won by who can best motivate their base to take the time to vote. Last election the Republicans said too many stupid things and had a presidential candidate with a very poor record on supporting constitutional rights. They did a horrendous job motivating their own base to get out and vote. I even had a huge number of family members that grew up in Montana ranch country, tend to use words like "democrat" and "liberal" as an insult that this last time were talking of voting for Obama cause of how dismal a performance the Republicans made.

This time however, there's a good chance that the Democrats are basically doing the campaigning for the Republicans. Piss off the gun owners of America, and they'll come vote. They may not care for the Republicans either and only view them as a "lesser evil," but they'll vote against those that threatened our rights. I don't think it's a guarantee. People have short memories. If this is dropped/resolved even six months before the election, it may not impact it much. Of course, the Republicans may go through a bad stretch of saying stupid things that trumps the 2A issue for many people as well. Not enough to make them vote Democrat, but enough to not bother to come out and vote Republican.

 

[oknow]

I agree with you. If there is any issue that is really going to blow up in the Dem's face it will be the gun issue.

I had a gal from the Oregon Dem party call and ask for financial support a couple weeks ago. I asked her why in the world would I give support to an organization that is looking to screw me over on the 2A. She laughed sheepishly and said " I get it .... I come from a family that loves to hunt. Have nice evening.

It's an interestin twist (to me anyways) that the media keeps saying the vast majority of the nation is frimly behind background checks. I think the media is waaay overstating the support for that idea. As mancat said in post #3 most Dem's don't support a gun control agenda. So, if the media is correct that there is overwhelming support then why is the gun control argument not gaining traction but instead seems to be slipping? It's because mancat is correct .... most Dem's don't support it.

if you tell a lie enough people start to believe it's true

 

[WhyteCheddar]

By some accounts, the current POTUS might of had an democrat challenger in the last election due to the almost total failure of the first four years of his administration. And yet, he won seemingly going away.
This tells me that any prognostication that the dems are a sure loser in 2014, is hopeful at best.
I rather expect a slide towards full on collapse hastened by the house falling to the dems, continued occupancy of the White House by socialist leaning admin, and an even further left leaning court of the Supremes.

I hope to God that I am wrong.

 

[Hawaiian]

You are correct. I am not a Democrat, but it is the Senate Democrats that have stopped the AWB and mag ban from passing. They deserve the Democratic votes and others thanks. The Senate Democratic representatives are taking major heat from Obama and their own party. I give them kudo's for standing up to the heat. There are millions of Democrats who support our 2nd Ammendment rights. Kudo's to them also. We as the people can have bipartisan support even though Congress and the Admistration can not seem to get it together.

 

[Kid@Heart]

I had a gal from the Oregon Dem party call and ask for financial support a couple weeks ago. I asked her why in the world would I give support to an organization that is looking to screw me over on the 2A. She laughed sheepishly and said " I get it .... I come from a family that loves to hunt. Have nice evening.

And you don't see the problem with this?

The lady called you and asked for financial support for an organization that wants to strip away the rights her family believes are important??

I wonder what she gets for free that she is willing to sell out her family for.

 

[tiggers97]

It's why I'm always careful when describing gun-control advocates; avoid friendly fire. Gun-control divides across a much different line than most other issues.

 

[XManSV]

You SURE most dems don't support gun control - seems like they do to me.

And whether they do or don't directly themselves, they are the ones that vote in the @#$@'s who do.

If you are voting specifically for pro-gun 2A patriot dems, that makes sense in a way, but don't vote for any of the others.

Democratic party has gun control as a plank in their platform!! Not exactly rocket science to see which side is what....

 

[billstaf]

I've been a registered Democrat for about as long as I can remember. Much of what the Democrats used to represent, I was in favor of. (Workplace equality, marriage equality, wage equality, pro-choice, assistance for those in need, education, etc. The usual stuff).

When they decided to go after the 2nd Amendment, they lost me. I have no idea why the idiots in charge decided that this was a good political move. You would think they would remember what happened to the Clinton administration after the first AWB was passed (Congress swung to the right in the midterms and Clinton was on the ropes for the rest of his presidency). Now the same thing is going to happen in 2014 and the Dems are headed for a major (well deserved) smackdown. There is a big difference this time: Obama is a whole lot less popular than Clinton was.

I'll be voting for the GOP next time in both state and federal elections. I know there are a bunch of other Democrats who will be doing the same thing. We don't need a Big Brother telling us what to do.

 

[3MTA3]

I've been a registered Democrat for about as long as I can remember. Much of what the Democrats used to represent, I was in favor of. (Workplace equality, marriage equality, wage equality, pro-choice, assistance for those in need, education, etc. The usual stuff).

When they decided to go after the 2nd Amendment, they lost me. I have no idea why the idiots in charge decided that this was a good political move. You would think they would remember what happened to the Clinton administration after the first AWB was passed (Congress swung to the right in the midterms and Clinton was on the ropes for the rest of his presidency). Now the same thing is going to happen in 2014 and the Dems are headed for a major (well deserved) smackdown. There is a big difference this time: Obama is a whole lot less popular than Clinton was.

I'll be voting for the GOP next time in both state and federal elections. I know there are a bunch of other Democrats who will be doing the same thing. We don't need a Big Brother telling us what to do.

Make sure you let your Democratic leadership know how you feel. I no longer believe that any politician is truly there to represent your interests. They are mostly there to get what they want for themselves (read insider trading lawful for Senators and Representatives). Call them on their BS, if you (and the rest of your party's base) don't keep them in check they will continue to get even more out of control. It's also important to never let a single party get in control of both the Executive and Legislative branches. That right there is a high speed train wreck.

 

[Misterbill]

This describes the feelings of a LOT of liberal gun owners about now:

First they came for the blacks, and I spoke up because it was wrong, even though I'm not black.

Then they came for the gays, and I spoke up, even though I'm not gay.

Then they came for the Muslims, and I spoke up, because it was wrong, even though I'm an atheist.

When they came for illegal aliens, I spoke up, even though I'm a legal immigrant.

Then they came for the pornographers, rebels and dissenters and their speech and flag burning, and I spoke up, because rights are not only for the establishment.

Then they came for the gun owners, and you liberal (%$*#&!s threw me under the bus, even though I'd done nothing wrong. So when they come to put you on the train, you can fracking choke and die.

 

[DMax]

When they do it FOR you, They will do it TO you.

 

[BryanMunson]

Because Democrat or Republican does not make any difference, anymore. It is money and corporate greed that controls where the government goes, or the appearance of where it goes, because regardless it all goes the same direction.

So when votes go along party lines, which side supports the 2nd Amendment and which side opposes it?

If you are supporting Democrats in any way you ARE NOT a 2nd Amendment activist.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

And you don't see the problem with this?

The lady called you and asked for financial support for an organization that wants to strip away the rights her family believes are important??

I wonder what she gets for free that she is willing to sell out her family for.

She probably gets a free air conditioner for her room in hell.

 

[DireWolf]

they will get crushed next year, rightfully so.

If I had a dollar for every time I heard that leading up to the 2012 general election, I could buy my own island.

 

[Redcap]

they will get crushed next year, rightfully so.

Not sure if troll.

The Dimocrats will just cheat to win, like they did here in WA.

 

[Kevatc]

Make sure you let your Democratic leadership know how you feel. I no longer believe that any politician is truly there to represent your interests. They are mostly there to get what they want for themselves (read insider trading lawful for Senators and Representatives). Call them on their BS, if you (and the rest of your party's base) don't keep them in check they will continue to get even more out of control. It's also important to never let a single party get in control of both the Executive and Legislative branches. That right there is a high speed train wreck.

I couldn't agree more with the bolded. However, if you listened to the Conservative arguments the last two POTUS elections the message they stated clearly was that Con's needed to be in charge of everything to avoid doom and gloom. Oh well, we have divided control and we have a train wreck of unprecedented proportions now.

 

[Kevatc]

If you are supporting Democrats in any way you ARE NOT a 2nd Amendment activist.

Stupid statement.

By that logic if you're a Con/Repub then you're against SS, Medicare, education, fairness in taxes, voting rights, etc. Don't paint with a broad brush because then you just divide folks into two extremes and we have all seen how that has worked out for our Congress. Truth is all of these issues are complex. In the case of gun control I get the lefts passion for finding ways to reduce gun violence. However, the methods that the left wants to address gun violence lacks logic and attacks the rights of ordinary gun owning folks way more than it actually addresses the problem. I am a Dem who advocates for the 2A quite vocally but dont you paint me with a broad brush considering all the issue and complexity that we face. It's devisive and serves no useful purpose.

 

[BryanMunson]

Stupid statement.

By that logic if you're a Con/Repub then you're against SS, Medicare, education, fairness in taxes, voting rights, etc. Don't paint with a broad brush because then you just divide folks into two extremes and we have all seen how that has worked out for our Congress. Truth is all of these issues are complex. In the case of gun control I get the lefts passion for finding ways to reduce gun violence. However, the methods that the left wants to address gun violence lacks logic and attacks the rights of ordinary gun owning folks way more than it actually addresses the problem. I am a Dem who advocates for the 2A quite vocally but dont you paint me with a broad brush considering all the issue and complexity that we face. It's devisive and serves no useful purpose.

So you believe Republicans don't care about old people, clean air, clean water, education, voting rights? You need to take a look around and put down the Kool Aid. Democrats have been, will be and are the party of Gun Control. If they believe guns lead to violence they would be the first to lay them down, including their security details. It has nothing to do with safety and they have said as much. If your core belief is in the 2nd Amendment, as I believe it is the teeth of our Bill of Rights (Civil Rights) and you vote Democrat you are deluding yourself. Sorry to be so blunt but it is true. As for being divisive, HELLO Democrats and Republicans are on opposite sides of the aisle-divided by philosophy, beliefs and core beliefs. You cannot compromise on policies that erode the foundation of our country and expect it to remain intact as designed.

BTW I don't hide behind a screen name and just spout stuff off my name is Bryan Munson and I would say the same in public as I would here.

 

[Silver Fox]

This tells me that any prognostication that the dems are a sure loser in 2014, is hopeful at best.
I rather expect a slide towards full on collapse hastened by the house falling to the dems, continued occupancy of the White House by socialist leaning admin, and an even further left leaning court of the Supremes.

I hope to God that I am wrong.

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