A Democratic Disaster?

[DireWolf]

So you believe Republicans don't care about old people, clean air, clean water, education, voting rights? You need to take a look around and put down the Kool Aid. .

Maybe reread his post and think about the first and second sentences a bit more before responding with a knee jerk post.

 

[3MTA3]

Maybe reread his post and think about the first and second sentences a bit more before responding with a knee jerk post.

Yup, I thought Mr. Munson missed the point as well. I think gun control may be the catalyst to end the polarization that has plagued Republicans and Democrats. Folks, its gotten so bad that only one Democrat supported Rand Paul during the drone filibuster, and I think he only showed up because he thought there was free ice cream. It's time for the base of both parties to realize that the other party is not the enemy - the people leading our parties whose actions reveal their desire to control and manipulate us are.

 

[Kevatc]

So you believe Republicans don't care about old people, clean air, clean water, education, voting rights? You need to take a look around and put down the Kool Aid. Democrats have been, will be and are the party of Gun Control. If they believe guns lead to violence they would be the first to lay them down, including their security details. It has nothing to do with safety and they have said as much. If your core belief is in the 2nd Amendment, as I believe it is the teeth of our Bill of Rights (Civil Rights) and you vote Democrat you are deluding yourself. Sorry to be so blunt but it is true. As for being divisive, HELLO Democrats and Republicans are on opposite sides of the aisle-divided by philosophy, beliefs and core beliefs. You cannot compromise on policies that erode the foundation of our country and expect it to remain intact as designed.

BTW I don't hide behind a screen name and just spout stuff off my name is Bryan Munson and I would say the same in public as I would here.

If that's what you took away from my post you totally missed the point. I can spell it out but I can't comprehend it for you.

 

[Misterbill]

Yup, I thought Mr. Munson missed the point as well. I think gun control may be the catalyst to end the polarization that has plagued Republicans and Democrats.

Not hardly.

Gun control may help the GOP and hurt the Dems, but there's no consensus other than that gun control is political poison.

I have no faith in either party when it comes to protecting liberties. They both seem quite happy to interfere in private affairs that impact no one, the only difference is what side of the puritanical coin they use as justification. One seems to be concerned with my Soul, the other wants to insist I don't do anything that hurts their feelings or makes me fat.

We've elected a whole slew of Mrs. Grundys.

 

[DireWolf]

I think gun control may be the catalyst to end the polarization that has plagued Republicans and Democrats.

Hope springs eternal.

Folks, its gotten so bad that only one Democrat supported Rand Paul during the drone filibuster, and I think he only showed up because he thought there was free ice cream..

I am not a PR fan, but that prank was good. The drone thing is out of control.

It's time for the base of both parties to realize that the other party is not the enemy - the people leading our parties whose actions reveal their desire to control and manipulate us are.

It you objectively look, the two main presidential candidates and winners (and the politics that create them) are shockingly similar. The great dividers are but a handful of wedge issues.

Bush Jr., Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan - all in the same group in terms of fundamental politics.



Us vs. Them feeds the fleecing of America by the plutocrats.

 

[BryanMunson]

Maybe reread his post and think about the first and second sentences a bit more before responding with a knee jerk post.

I did read it, there is proof that Democrats are anti-2nd Amendment and he asserted that my statement was the equivalent of saying Republicans are against all that is good in the world. Implying there is proof to support those allegations. No knee jerk here, just tired of people trying to paint a horse with stripes and call it a zebra.

 

[BryanMunson]

Yup, I thought Mr. Munson missed the point as well. I think gun control may be the catalyst to end the polarization that has plagued Republicans and Democrats. Folks, its gotten so bad that only one Democrat supported Rand Paul during the drone filibuster, and I think he only showed up because he thought there was free ice cream. It's time for the base of both parties to realize that the other party is not the enemy - the people leading our parties whose actions reveal their desire to control and manipulate us are.

I didn't miss the point. I made a statement supported by facts that when a vote on 2nd Amendment issues falls along party lines who stands on the side of supporting the 2nd Amendment? To whit the 3M responded 'By that logic if you're a Con/Repub then you're against SS, Medicare, education, fairness in taxes, voting rights, etc.to saying' implying that Republicans vote along party lines against those issues. BTW SS, Medicare, education and taxes are not Rights. Government didn't give us the RKBA, God did and there fore they cannot take them from us-those that attempt to are the enemy. I include the RINOs that attempt to do the same in the "spirit of compromise".

 

[DireWolf]

I did read it, there is proof that Democrats are anti-2nd Amendment and he asserted that my statement was the equivalent of saying Republicans are against all that is good in the world. Implying there is proof to support those allegations. No knee jerk here, just tired of people trying to paint a horse with stripes and call it a zebra.

So, to recap:

Some Democrats propose gun control measures (this is true) = All Democrats are anti-second amendment

Some Republicans support cuts in benefits for the elderly, eliminating the EPA and public education, and have been shown in court to engage in voter suppression (these are also true) = Republicans are angels that can do no wrong.

In the first group, the acts of some define the tyrranical and despotic desires of all and in the second group, acts of some are outliers and amount to nothing because only Republicans love all that is good and wholesome and freedom and apple pie.

Makes perfect nonpartisan sense to me, and is totally supported by facts.

 

[Bob D]

The sarcasm's getting thick in here, let's keep the puff-puff-pass going

 

[Kevatc]

I didn't miss the point. I made a statement supported by facts that when a vote on 2nd Amendment issues falls along party lines who stands on the side of supporting the 2nd Amendment? To whit the 3M responded 'By that logic if you're a Con/Repub then you're against SS, Medicare, education, fairness in taxes, voting rights, etc.to saying' implying that Republicans vote along party lines against those issues. BTW SS, Medicare, education and taxes are not Rights. Government didn't give us the RKBA, God did and there fore they cannot take them from us-those that attempt to are the enemy. I include the RINOs that attempt to do the same in the "spirit of compromise".

I could be wrong but I think where you might be getting cross ways is you are referring to politicians and I am referring to voters.

I honestly believe if we had a decent cross section of "conservative" voters and "progressive" voters all in the same room looking at the issues there wouldn't be so much ground between them that good compromises could be made on some issues and outright agreement on others. As somebody above said it's a politicians keeping wedge issues at the fore and making them devisive. So long as compromise is seen as a dirty word the other side will villify the other and make ordinary folks take sides. In that event the politicians win by keeping themselves in the conversation and inflating their importance while ordinary folks lose.

While I am on my little soapbox .... our representative type government and elected "representatives" seem to have forgotten they have a constituency they are meant to represent. To often they get in office and they seem to lose their sense of "where they came from" and take on a life of their own and become beholden to extremes. I hear the comment of "fire them ... vote them out of office". OK, but so long as the system rewards devisive and extreme politics we the people are going to get screwed.

 

[DMax]

Ya there is no end to the distruction of American from the democrats before its over, one crisis to the next Today its gun control and gay marriage then on to immagration amnesty.

Biden says gun control votes 'only the beginning'

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[Kevatc]

Ya there is no end to the distruction of American from the democrats before its over, one crisis to the next Today its gun control and gay marriage then on to immagration amnesty.

Biden says gun control votes 'only the beginning'

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Especially when grammer, periods, comma's, and sentence structure are thrown out the window.

 

[jimwsea]

they will get crushed next year, rightfully so.

Not sure about that. Seems like they took control of the voting machines during the last election.

 

[DMax]

Especially when grammer, periods, comma's, and sentence structure are thrown out the window.

Thats the ole yakatack we have missed You got nothing.

 

[Kevatc]

Not sure about that. Seems like they took control of the voting machines during the last election.

Why would Dem's need to "control" voting machines when Repub's have been at the heart of gerrymandering and voter suppression?

 

[Kevatc]

Howdy, Kevtac. I noticed you're still taking your turn at being a sarcastic spelling Nazi on others, so I thought I'd mete out some of your own medicine on you.

Thank you.

 

[drew]

We're heading for a showdown, in more ways than one, no doubt about it.

I agree. A few years ago I wouldn't have.

 

[SBC97281]

Republicans are only reluctantly the friends of gun owners in my opinion. The Democrats as a party are slightly less willing to court pro-firearms/Liberty voters.

Both Parties need to hear from pro-Liberty Gun Owners that this is a really important issue.

There is only one party that comes down 100% pro-firearms liberty on the national stage and they are the Libertarians.

I wish the Libertarians could get more traction in elections. But until then we have to keep both sets of office holders from either party on a very short leash.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

Republicans are only reluctantly the friends of gun owners in my opinion. The Democrats as a party are slightly less willing to court pro-firearms/Liberty voters.

Both Parties need to hear from pro-Liberty Gun Owners that this is a really important issue.

There is only one party that comes down 100% pro-firearms liberty on the national stage and they are the Libertarians.

I wish the Libertarians could get more traction in elections. But until then we have to keep both sets of office holders from either party on a very short leash.

Most republicans and many democrats would realize they align m mostly with the libertarians if they took the time to think about it. Kinda sad. Both parties bubblegum about common ground and there is already a party that represents it. Unless you are hard right or left most people espouse values of them. Well the folks that want liberty anyway. The true socialists don't but they can kiss my *** and relocate to any one of the third world countries that already enjoy it.

 

[ZigZagZeke]

Bullbubblegum!

No they won't.

The facts are:

35% of the folks will vote for Democrats no matter what,
35% of the folks will vote for Republicans no matter what and,


30% of the folks will vote for whoever promises them the most stuff. (Phones, Healthcare, Oregon Trail Cards, etc...)