Oregon 2023 Gun Bills Dropped

[Buster1969]

I don't know what or how, but something needs to happen to hold politicians personally liable for passing bills/laws they know are blatantly unconstitutional.

 

[Librarian]

questions (because I'm to lazy to look it up I guess)
1. when does this legislative session close?
2. if, by a minor miracle, not having a quorum to pass sill bills during this, can the dem senate leader or Kotek declare an emergency session to pass the bills?

if #2 is correct, all our side is doing is holding off the inevitable. Possibly at cost to their political career.

1) June 25 - https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/calendar/

2)

Initiated by Legislative Assembly
Article IV, Section 10a of the Oregon Constitution, and ORS 171.015, outline the procedure by which the Legislative Assembly may call itself into emergency session, also called a special session

Initiated by the Governor

The Oregon Constitution, in Article V, Section 12, empowers the Governor "on extraordinary occasions" to convene the Legislative Assembly by proclamation. In such instances, the Legislative Assembly convenes on the date and time listed in the Governor's proclamation and, once assembled, the Governor states the purpose for which they were convened. Once convened, the Legislative Assembly is NOT limited to considering matters concerning the purpose as identified by the Governor.
Regardless of whether the session was called by the Legislative Assembly by ballot or by the Governor by proclamation, the session is concluded once a majority of members of both chambers determines that the business for which they were called has been completed, as signified by adoption of a sine die resolution.

See https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/lpro/Publications/Background-Brief-Special-Session-2020.pdf

And if these bills are not stopped, what political career will the Rs have left?

 

[CamoDeafie]

1) June 25 - https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/calendar/

2)

Initiated by the Governor

See https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/lpro/Publications/Background-Brief-Special-Session-2020.pdf

And if these bills are not stopped, what political career will the Rs have left?

Probably none. Don't be surprised if one certain Party decides that there needs to be a "special session" to recall/remove those who "shirked their civic duties in protest"

 

[Librarian]

Probably none. Don't be surprised if one certain Party decides that there needs to be a "special session" to recall/remove those who "shirked their civic duties in protest"

Constitution Article IV

Section 15. Punishment and expulsion
of members. Either house may punish its
members for disorderly behavior, and may
with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a
member; but not a second time for the same
cause. —

So, what is 'disorderly conduct'? We know from Mike Nearman that some actual behaviors have been deemed 'disorderly'. But staying out of the chamber/capitol does not seem to me to be 'disorderly'.

And, 'not a second time' suggests return after expulsion is possible.

 

[Rkangel]

Probably none. Don't be surprised if one certain Party decides that there needs to be a "special session" to recall/remove those who "shirked their civic duties in protest"

Silver lining is that it's refreshing to see some of our legislators who are willing to put their careers on the line to make a stand. All the more reason we need to show them support and encourage them to stay the course. They will be under increasing pressure to fold.

 

[PiratePast40]

Uhmmm, guys, where were you today? You've still got until Saturday at 1 to send in testimony against HB 2572 but could have used a hand today. You know you can testify remote right?

 

[bentoncity]

I don't know what or how, but something needs to happen to hold politicians personally liable for passing bills/laws they know are blatantly unconstitutional.

Unk if Oregon is like Wa but...we can't do diddly squat legally.. IE: by any law (s)
Yea it sux. Our ONLY legal option is votem out..

Dan

 

[dancinghippos]

Uhmmm, guys, where were you today? You've still got until Saturday at 1 to send in testimony against HB 2572 but could have used a hand today. You know you can testify remote right?

Is it too inflammatory to say that this looks designed to prosecute neighborhood watch groups who came together to keep rioters from destroying their homes and property?

 

[PiratePast40]

Is it too inflammatory to say that this looks designed to prosecute neighborhood watch groups who came together to keep rioters from destroying their homes and property?

That's a legitimate argument that could very easily put into testimony.

There sure looks to be quite a bit of prosecutorial discretion written into the bill. I wonder which side of the aisle will profit most?

As a side not, I marked up my copy of the bill with red ink and sticky tabs all over it. Then put a big D- on the front of it in red marker. At least the author of the bill got a kick out of it when I held it up for the committee to see.

 

[dancinghippos]

I read others' written submissions. Folks, please proofread your material for spelling errors and read aloud to yourself to make sure it sounds like you want them to perceive it

 

[Librarian]

Today was day 5 6 of R resistance in the Senate, after the weird weekend sessions designed to get members up to their 10 unexcused absences.

Kindly do drop messages of support to the (relatively) brave legislators. https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/senaterepublicans/Pages/leadership.aspx

 

[Yarome]

Today was day 5 6 of R resistance in the Senate, after the weird weekend sessions designed to get members up to their 10 unexcused absences.

Kindly do drop messages of support to the (relatively) brave legislators. https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/senaterepublicans/Pages/leadership.aspx

Yes... do! Last time there was a prolonged absence the OSP got sent after them with orders to arrest and compel them to "show up for work". Fortunately, many had the brains to conveniently be out of state where the long arm of the governor could not reach. That wasn't even all that long ago.

Interesting days.

Give them all your support and encouragement to remain strong in opposing these "one party rule" unconstitutional infringements.

 

[PiratePast40]

If you guys aren't signing up for legislative alerts, you're missing out. Below is Dennis Linthicum's latest newsletter. Here's the link. You can sign up there or go to the OLIS page to sign up for alerts. Click the link for "Sign Up for Capitol e-Subscribe".

Tons of information, but if you subscribe to an entire category, you'll be flooding your email with everything under the sun. Just sign up for what you want.

What's Lurking in the Shadows ​ So, what's up in Oregon? Why have Oregon State Senators, from both Republican and Independent parties, chosen to deny quorum and stop legislative business. Across all fifty states, legislative members have a fiduciary responsibility, by sworn affirmation or oath, to uphold their constitutional obligations. Political pundits, mainstream sources and social media activists are good at repeating slogans, but as you know, little else. There is rarely a look at the details lurking in the shadows. Oregon Senate President, Rob Wagner (D), has claimed an "open door" policy and pretends to "want robust debate" about policy issues. Yet, unfathomable volumes of recorded video from every floor session and committee hearing testifies violently against this one-sided fantasy. The Democrat majority has steadfastly refused to share accurate details about the numerous bills that have had no Republican input. The mainstream and social media talking-heads continue to carry water for the majority party and have continued to mischaracterize sincere issues that truly deserve "robust debate and discussion." For example, HB 2002, HB 2003, and HB 2005 are respectively being promoted as necessary to "save abortion", "secure elections" and "prevent gun violence." These phrases simply peddle the popular twaddle while hiding the truth. These three examples, out of 3000 bills this session, are stepping stones in a divisive political misinformation agenda. These bills codify party talking-points and bumper-sticker slogans. The HB 2002 marketing template is a political strategy to scare women into thinking that those "church-going conservatives" want to strip away a women's legal right to an abortion in Oregon. A woman's right to terminate her pregnancy is legal at every step along the journey, from conception to the last minute of the pre-birth moment. The Dobb's decision from the Supreme Court has no impact on Oregon State law and HB 2002 does not add or subtract any additional rights for women. What it does do is allow an individual of any age to receive an abortion, without parental notification. Yet, other adults, teachers, school nurses, neighbors, medical service providers or even a possible abuser or trafficker might know, assist, and conceal details regarding all of these medical procedures. Progressives are running wild with claims that this bill is about "reproductive health and women's rights." The significant text, which gives but a toehold to their deceit is achieved by replacing the plain English phrase, [terminate the individual's pregnancy] with the politically charged text, "exercise the individual's reproductive health rights under section 3 of this 2023 Act." That's all folks. That's the extent of changes with regard to adult women. However, when it comes to children the floodgates are wide open. First, HB 2002 removes all age limits on reproductive healthcare. Current law contains the phrase, "[who is 15 years of age]" which would get removed. ​ Here is another sample: ​ Specifically, this "may not disclose to the minor's parent" requirement applies to all children and every conceivable reproductive medical procedure. Even counsel admitted, during committee testimony, this would apply to a 10-year-old child. Do you know any 10-year-old children capable of providing an "authorized disclosure notice" to the medical staff? This "notice" is a requirement for parental notification. In other words, without this notice, Mom and Dad are kept in the dark, purposefully. What if a child wants Mom and Dad's love, care, and support? How does a 10-year-old communicate that when the force of law demands every medical provider, "not disclose" information about services or medications? Additionally, what legal standing would that document bring during any claim of medical malpractice, wrongful death, or other unforeseen harm to a child stemming from negligence, carelessness, wrongful acts, anaphylactic shock or inappropriate action taken by people who are state authorized, non-parental actors? Why would the state of Oregon empower abusers, traffickers, or any other nameless, unaccountable player over and above a parent? Due process and judicial review are important safeguards for parents, families and children. Why does HB 2002 omit these safeguards? These couple of sentences are a small portion of the 48 pages of the legislative handy-work which is anti-family, anti-parent, anti-business, pro-administrative state, and which promotes healthcare tyranny. I believe knowledge is power. In HB 2002 we see planks in the pathway to political tyranny as the state strips parental rights from parents and their children. Stay tuned as I expose more political malfeasance lurking within the trans-humanist movement, anti-gun efforts, electioneering fraud and the lawlessness that is swallowing Oregon. Help defend families, parents and their children! This is a war and together we will march toward victory! ​ Contribute Today!​ If we don't stand for rural Oregon Values and common-sense... No one will! Regards, Dennis Linthicum Oregon State Senate - District 28 Email: [email protected] Website: http://www.oregonlegislature.gov/linthicum

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

Uhmmm, guys, where were you today? You've still got until Saturday at 1 to send in testimony against HB 2572 but could have used a hand today. You know you can testify remote right?

Due to Biden's economy I had to take an 8 to 5 job so I am no longer free to wait on Zoom for hours hoping to get picked.

 

[PiratePast40]

Due to Biden's economy I had to take an 8 to 5 job so I am no longer free to wait on Zoom for hours hoping to get picked.

That's the Biden ecenomic recovery plan, AKA "Work Makes You Free" plan.

 

[Rkangel]

Due to Biden's economy I had to take an 8 to 5 job so I am no longer free to wait on Zoom for hours hoping to get picked.

For those unaware, you can submit written testimony. Whether they read it is a whole other matter...

 

[eustace_stelio]

I have no statistics of how many homeless are being bussed to Portland, but this video is conclusive proof that it is indeed happening.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1638274978503352320

Also, thanks @PiratePast40, i have contacted my reps to voice my displeasure with their deliberate attempt to create unconstitutional laws

Man, I guess South Park was too far off about bussing homeless out west.

 

[Librarian]

Senate President Rob Wagner agrees to suspend floor sessions through weekend in effort to negotiate end to Republican walkout

Democrats suspended meetings of the state Senate through the weekend to negotiate an end to Republicans’ ongoing boycott of the upper chamber.

www.oregonlive.com

The sustained walkout has put some senators dangerously close to clocking 10 unexcused absences on the Senate floor this session, which would disqualify them from reelection under Measure 113. A majority of Oregon voters approved the measure last November in response to high-profile Republican walkouts in recent years.

Three senators have nine unexcused absences as of Thursday, according to figures provided by Wagner's office: Sen. Daniel Bonham, R-Welches, Sen. Dennis Linthicum, R-Klamath Falls, and Boquist.

 

[Yarome]

Senate President Rob Wagner agrees to suspend floor sessions through weekend in effort to negotiate end to Republican walkout

Democrats suspended meetings of the state Senate through the weekend to negotiate an end to Republicans’ ongoing boycott of the upper chamber.

www.oregonlive.com

I really hope they stay strong and challenge 113. It's a nice gesture for the leftists to make themselves look "reasonable", but:

"Wagner and Senate Majority Leader Kate Lieber..... said the gun safety proposal, HB 2005, and the abortion and gender-affirming care measure, HB 2002, were not up for negotiation."

Short of completely caving in, I don't see how it's going to end well. It's the only tool we have to fight these "hyperpartisan" bills.

 

[nammac]

The real question is, what were the results of gun control passed in 2015? 2016? 2017? 2018? 2019? 2020? 2021? 2022???????

See a pattern there, more and more gun control, less and less rights. Oregon, keep mail ordering your state government, you get what you deserve…

The voters said no drivers licenses for illegal immigrants, in fact voted so in a ballot measure. State legislature went ahead and did it anyway…

Oregon needs its own January 6th at the state Capitol in Salem…