Oregon HB 2005 4-11-2023

[Rkangel]

When has a serial number ever prevented a murder? At best they are the forensic equivalent of chalk outlines... only somewhat useful after the fact.

 

[PiratePast40]

When has a serial number ever prevented a murder? At best they are the forensic equivalent of chalk outlines... only somewhat useful after the fact.

Not gonna lie, I'll be plagiarizing that line.

 

[The Heretic]

Here's the ATF clarification letter.

As I recalled (correctly), you can buy/build from an 80% "thing" as long as the area for the FCU is not machined, and you don't buy any parts or jigs with the 80% "thing".

 

[PiratePast40]

Looks like the ATF restriction on unfinished receivers has been vacated. Since this has national implications, not just Oregon's HB2005, there is a separate thread on the decision. other thread

 

[nwwoodsman]

Text of the bill appears to ban possession of spooky ghost gun. Other articles says it just bans sale or tranfers. If it is indeed effective immediately after signing, are a bunch of Oregonians (not me of course) now committing felonies because they didn't comply in time?

Gov. Kotek signs controversial reproductive rights, ghost gun bills that sparked Oregon Senate GOP-led walkout

The two controversial bills that helped spur Oregon's longest walkout in history were signed into law Thursday by Governor Tina Kotek.House Bill 2002 expands th

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[bionic knees]

so just the sale of ghost guns is banned? that makes Casper happy.

and the libs murdering their unborn? I am almost ok with that.

 

[fmvolume86]

yeah I dont care what Kotek thinks,,,.

 

[PiratePast40]

Kotek signed HB 2005 into law yesterday. Here's the OFF Alert.

 

[arakboss]

I guess I can only keep my 1967 Poly80 frames without serialization. I hope they still function after sitting around all these decades.

 

[arakboss]

Are there any firearm assemblies that require more than one part be serialized under HB2005?

For example if I use an 80% blank (still in 80% configuration) as a forward grip on my AR15, would it have to be serialized as well as the AR lower?


Example 2: My upper only firearm would likely require a serial number if used by itself to fire a cartridge. What if I attach it to a serialized lower, would the upper still require serialization?

 

[PiratePast40]

Are there any firearm assemblies that require more than one part be serialized under HB2005?

For example if I use an 80% blank (still in 80% configuration) as a forward grip on my AR15, would it have to be serialized as well as the AR lower?


Example 2: My upper only firearm would likely require a serial number if used by itself to fire a cartridge. What if I attach it to a serialized lower, would the upper still require serialization?

Here's a link to the bill as signed: https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/liz/2023R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/HB2005

For your first example, it's still an unfinished receiver, so will need to have an ATF compliant serial number no matter what you attached it to. For your second example, I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

 

[Stomper]

yeah I dont care what Kotek thinks,,,.

Tina Kotek is not a thinker, Tina Kotek is a feeler.


(FYI- That's Ricky-Bobby reference in case you missed it)

 

[Stomper]

Can you just feel the new safeness?




I felt it!

 

[arakboss]

Here's a link to the bill as signed: https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/liz/2023R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/HB2005

For your first example, it's still an unfinished receiver, so will need to have an ATF compliant serial number no matter what you attached it to. For your second example, I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

I guess what It boils down to is that, I will have to incorporate a serialized frame or receiver into all of my future homemade firearms.

 

[CamoDeafie]

I guess what It boils down to is that, I will have to incorporate a serialized frame or receiver into all of my future homemade firearms.

Pretty much, yes... either by paying for a specific FFL to serialize your unserialized lowers, or buying stripped serialized lowers (Anderson, PSA/H&R, Aero, etc) through FFLs.

There seems to be no "grandfather" clause whatsoever, and if I'm reading it correctly, people who possesses unserialized receivers or frames have until Sept 1st 2024 to serialize them to comply?

 

[arakboss]

Pretty much, yes... either by paying for a specific FFL to serialize your unserialized lowers, or buying stripped serialized lowers (Anderson, PSA/H&R, Aero, etc) through FFLs.

I new there was a reason I bought so many lowers. I might have to buy a few more 5 packs on the next kygunco sale, just to be safe.

 

[CamoDeafie]

I new there was a reason I bought so many lowers. I might have to buy a few more 5 packs on the next kygunco sale, just to be safe.

You do you. Just be aware that the people listed in the bill for who can serialize the "unfinished " frames or receivers also has to keep records and contact OSP. There's also a section that says cannot "import" unfinished frame or receiver unless it's to a FFL to transfer with serial numbers and records

Edit only two sections (4 and 5) takes effect Sept 1st 2024. The rest are now in effect. Edit. I was looking at the Engrossed and not the Enrolled one.

 

[xuout1]

It looks like to me if the gun is already finished then it dose not have to be serialized. They keep referring to unfinished frames or am I missing something ?

 

[CamoDeafie]

It looks like to me if the gun is already finished then it dose not have to be serialized. They keep referring to unfinished frames or am I missing something ?

There's also "a person may not knowingly possess a firearm unless the firearm has been imprinted with a serial number by a FFL manufacturer, importer, or dealer, or a gunsmith with a FFL in accordance to Federal law". It does not apply to "Antique firearms", " firearms manufactured prior to October 22, 1968", "permanently inoperable firearms".

Edit this is Section 4.

 

[xuout1]

There's also "a person may not knowingly possess a firearm unless the firearm has been imprinted with a serial number by a FFL manufacturer, importer, or dealer, or a gunsmith with a FFL in accordance to Federal law". It does not apply to "Antique firearms", " firearms manufactured prior to October 22, 1968", "permanently inoperable firearms".

Edit this is Section 4.

I guess I skipped over that part. But the funny part is federal law dose not prohibit you from making your own gun and not serializing it. https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/homemade-guns-are-they-legal-must-they-be-registered.