2-A supporters who shop Walmart are traitors!

[doubletall]

Fair enough, but shouldn't it be my right to negotiate my own compensation? If people want to band together to negotiate together, that's cool, but what if I want to negotiate for myself? If I am not a union member, what is forcing them to offer me the compensation negotiated for by the union?

I think it would be the rare employer that would offer an individual a better package than a collective bargaining agreement. In an industrial or manufacturing environment if an employer were to temp an individual with higher pay they would expect consessions in terms of safety and other working conditions that would undermine the rest of the workforce. What comes to mind is the Big Branch Mine Explosion in West Virginia. There were pet employees that had special deals in exchange for putting production over safety; 29 dead.

 

[DuneHopper]

My own opinion is unions are part of the problem not the solution, having representation is great, however the structure of a union is like socialism for employees. I am sure many do not like this but unions cost the consumer far more money then is needed to. A union is not what it was intended for. It was once for safety and "FAIR" wages. It is not about how much money can we get out of the company. A unions view is that corporate makes money so should we. Unions think they have the right to enforce some kinda profit sharing were the company is forced to give them more even if they do less.
Milk, gas, and car cost far more because of high, over the top wages. Some working the lines are making 65-85 and hour are you kinding me ? And who do you think pays higher costs for your fat pay checks.
I know unions look at the company as being big brother, well I look at unions as big brother putting taking the consumers hostage. I hope some day the make unions illegal, it is like legalized extortion.
Yes I have worked in a union and made pathetically high disgusting wages I almost felt guilty I made so much money,
the point is someone some where had to foot the bill and pay more for something so I could have full coverage no co-pay insurance, and top benefits.

Its a situation where unions, mean higher wages means higher company cost, mean it is passed along to the consumer.
The consumer who is also union people who buy too goes to the store pays more for milk, complains to union need more money for because higher product cost. Force higher wages, company raises prices and consumers pay more, it is a revolving system and a win win win for the union employee at the cost to everyone else.


The point is unions do not work for the economy and a serious restructure of unions needs to be done.

 

[davemata]

I don't have a problem with that policy.. it makes it a bit harder for illegal aliens to buy ammo.. IF the state does the right thing and refuses a drivers lisc to them

so you favor gun control.

You also are ok with giving up the freedom to make an untracked purchase for the false security of making sure some bogeyman "can't."

Gun grabbers don't even need to work for it anymore.

 

[DuneHopper]

Someone please correct me if I am wrong here cause I am not positive of the laws etc.
If these facts are wrong please some one let me know.

1. You must be 18 to buy any ammo. powder or a rifle
2. Must be 21 to buy an possess a handgun.
3. Ammo has to be secured in a store is a policy for companies not a law ?
4. ID is required if you look under 18 to buy ammo .

I was really unsure of some of these cause at my age I buy what I want LOL.
Walmart locks up some ammo so does Bimart behind the counter, Cabellas has cases sitting on the floor.
so unsure of the laws and whys?

Thanks

 

[davemata]

3. Ammo has to be secured in a store is a policy for companies not a law ?
4. ID is required if you look under 18 to buy ammo .

These two are liability focused store policies.

 

[doubletall]

My own opinion is unions are part of the problem not the solution, having representation is great, however the structure of a union is like socialism for employees. I am sure many do not like this but unions cost the consumer far more money then is needed to. A union is not what it was intended for. It was once for safety and "FAIR" wages. It is not about how much money can we get out of the company. A unions view is that corporate makes money so should we. Unions think they have the right to enforce some kinda profit sharing were the company is forced to give them more even if they do less.
Milk, gas, and car cost far more because of high, over the top wages. Some working the lines are making 65-85 and hour are you kinding me ? And who do you think pays higher costs for your fat pay checks.
I know unions look at the company as being big brother, well I look at unions as big brother putting taking the consumers hostage. I hope some day the make unions illegal, it is like legalized extortion.
Yes I have worked in a union and made pathetically high disgusting wages I almost felt guilty I made so much money,
the point is someone some where had to foot the bill and pay more for something so I could have full coverage no co-pay insurance, and top benefits.

Its a situation where unions, mean higher wages means higher company cost, mean it is passed along to the consumer.
The consumer who is also union people who buy too goes to the store pays more for milk, complains to union need more money for because higher product cost. Force higher wages, company raises prices and consumers pay more, it is a revolving system and a win win win for the union employee at the cost to everyone else.


The point is unions do not work for the economy and a serious restructure of unions needs to be done.

Are unions perfect, hell no. Would a company that breaks a union pass on the savings to the consumer, hell f*#^ing no! Any money saved would go straight to the royalty we call the
1%er's who rule our "democracy". Since this is a gun forum and we've strayed off topic a bit I'll equate unions to guns, they even the playing field to a degree. China comes to mind; no unions, zero worker rights. Very limited private gun ownership; very few basic human rights.

 

[DuneHopper]

Are unions perfect, hell no. Would a company that breaks a union pass on the savings to the consumer, hell f*#^ing no! Any money saved would go straight to the royalty we call the
1%er's who rule our "democracy".

It sure did go way off topic, I hear ya but there really is no evidence existing that I know of that says a company that breaks a union would not pass on the savings to the consumer. I just think unions are a broken old dead horse and as progress and growth happened unions stayed stagnate and dinosaur like.
They are not designed to work in the present system we have for our countries economic model.

 

[carracer]

This is a interesting thread. I don't want a under age illegal alien buying ammo anyway. So I don't understand the big deal. I wish all stores no matter how anti union would support my interest in guns. Just my two cents

I think the key word here is "illegal". I agree 100%. Nothing racist about that comment in any form.

 

[Jammer Six]

They are not designed to work in the present system we have for our countries economic model.

Tell it to the miners.

Unions are the perfect mechanism to resolve the massive, systemic safety issues in West Virginia. As long as there is a fringe of entrepreneurs who will place profit ahead of safety, unions will have a place.

That is to say, forever.

 

[SonicBlue03]

Funny that so many people are vehemently against unions here. A union is an instrument only marginally different than a gun; depending on the individuals wielding the power of them determines whether or not they serve the people well or poorly, whether or not people act with integrity or not as members, etc. - those are traits of individual people, not the organization (or instrument) itself.

I grew up disliking unions and have never been a member of one. That said, I've gotten to work with quite a few folks that are IBEW and they are just as hard working as any non-represented folks I know. Sure, they have slackers like any non-represented group but where they really stand apart are their safety protocols and their ability to pick up and plug into other similar teams and maintain the same safety standards and work procedures. When you lose power in a significant outage (Sandy, et. al) it's that standardization that allows crews from everywhere to plug in and help out immediately.

 

[Trailboss]

Senseless criminal behavior in Michigan today by unions including violence, threats of death, threats of bloodshed, actual bloodshed and assault.

 

[Jammer Six]

I think the key word here is "illegal". I agree 100%. Nothing racist about that comment in any form.

I'm sure that to you, that's true.

 

[DuneHopper]

Tell it to the miners.

Unions are the perfect mechanism to resolve the massive, systemic safety issues in West Virginia. As long as there is a fringe of entrepreneurs who will place profit ahead of safety, unions will have a place.

That is to say, forever.

I would agree to a slight point that in an industry where safety is an issue like police, firemen even miner and some manufacturing need a union rep. But Hostess and the alike can kiss my you know what, as there are plenty of good wage non-union manufactures that do not need to be unionized. Sorry there is just no possible way I will be convinced unions are good for commerce. I do hope the make unions illegal at some point having that kind of control over a business is plain BS. I was a business owner about 7 years ago and I would have rather closed my doors then allow the the likes of unions be there, it is nothing more then a coercion system in a nice package called union.

 

[DuneHopper]

Senseless criminal behavior in Michigan today by unions including violence, threats of death, threats of bloodshed, actual bloodshed and assault.

It seem allot of people were not around and forgot what teamsters were and how well they were connected talk about violence. They act like the own the companies they work for, sounds like unions would prefer violence after all that is what socialism is all about. There is only one way just follow the trail of violence to socialistic commerce.

 

[carracer]

I'm sure that to you, that's true.

Care to explain that?

 

[carracer]

People are the ultimate resource, particularly for a country like the United States.

Every time an immigrant crosses the border, the U.S. gets stronger.

Saying that the right to self defense ends at an imaginary line or only applies to people born on one side or the other of that line and then wailing about that right (in fact, even calling it a "right") is highly amusing and more than a little bit informative.

It tells me exactly where you stand on more than one issue.

I notice you didn't use the word "illegal" when referring to immigrants, why is that?

 

[Jammer Six]

Sorry there is just no possible way I will be convinced unions are good for commerce.

Then there's no reason to try.

 

[davemata]

It sure did go way off topic, I hear ya but there really is no evidence existing that I know of that says a company that breaks a union would not pass on the savings to the consumer. I just think unions are a broken old dead horse and as progress and growth happened unions stayed stagnate and dinosaur like.
They are not designed to work in the present system we have for our countries economic model.

They are outmoded, and no longer needed. All they do these days is take from others at the end of a fist, bat, knife, gun, threat. They're little better than the government that is funded by them.

 

[BadMotel]

It's funny that this post about Walmart degraded into anti-union bs, since you know, Walmart employees could benefit from a union trying to raise their dismal average wage>

Facts » Making Change at Walmart

Although really, if Walmart raised their average wage from $8.81 to $12, they wouldn't charge shoppers 46 cents more per trip. They'd lay off thousands of workers and blame Obama and unions, since obviously offering competitive wage is a terrible thing to do in an economy where you're all complaining it's too hard to get a well paying job.

 

[MountainBear]

Teachers' union abandons 26,000 Michigan school children | Fox News

Granted, this is Fox News. And, its an opinion piece. But if half the numbers in this story are correct about teachers "calling in sick" to attend protests, this does not paint unions in the best light, again. What kind of organization would tell their members to abandon the children in their care to protest a rule that simply says people can work without union representation if they choose?