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seriously? i'll spell it out: it's bad form to resurrect long-dead threads.
Your rules?
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seriously? i'll spell it out: it's bad form to resurrect long-dead threads.
Your rules?
i can see you're new to the internets
Hardly. BTW, how many internets are there?
seriously? i'll spell it out: it's bad form to resurrect long-dead threads.
Recently in my neck of the woods a federal LEO shot at a suspect with a .40 S&W that was breaking into his home at night . About a week and a half later the bad guy was caught in portland with the bullet still in his shoulder. He had been treating his own wound and was recovering according to the report i read in our local newspaper article. I do not know what bullet was used in this case... But i did see a similar result with a .45 acp hydra shok shot into a blacktail deers hind quarters at close range, the bullet penatrated about 1 1/2"-2" with a huge bruse resulting from the shot. I tracked the deer and killed it with one shot with a 140g SJHP .357mag handload that passed through the lungs and out the other side, resulting in a clean kill. IMO i think bullet selection and shot placement are the keys to success no matter what caliber is involved.
Probably because of <broken link removed>. There was a police shootout in Pennsylvania last year...a subject ambushed a couple of Police Officers with a .45 and was hit at least six times by the Officers' .40 calliber glock pistols.
The coroner conducted an examination that concluded that the .40s didn't penetrate far enough to cause enough damage to stop the subject. Mind you, most shots were in the torso and one in the neck. None of the rounds penetrated farther than 1" in the neck or torso. It was only when the .223 was brought in did the subject get dropped....being shot in the hip, lung, and foot.
The attached is the FBI jumping all over the report to defend the .40 S&W for current use....stating that the coroner's report was "innacurate" and that the .40 S&W passed all of their ballistic tests.
Nevertheless, since they used 180gr Speer Gold Dots, I switched all my carry rounds to Hornady TAP.
Read the report, but realize it is VERY graphic. It includes XRays and the examiners initial observatory pictures. Also, I would take the FBIs conclusion with a grain of salt...I don't care what some ballistic gel test says, if the rounds didn't go past the breast plate then I don't want them as my carry rounds.
Just to clarify, I'm not against the .40 S&W...not in the least bit. The round has it's uses...in fact, I own and carry a G22 and G27. What I got from the article is that bullets slow down quite considerably when they hit glass and other hard targets. This was the last stray for my faith in Speer Gold Dots as well...I had a bunch of .45 ACP rounds crimp in their cassings when loaded into a Springfield XD.
Just take what you can from the information and make your own conclusions...that is the only reason why I've posted the above. Again, I'm not anti-40, nor am I anti-Speer...I just made my own conclusions from the information provided and my own experiences and experimentations with the rounds.
The only pistol that I hated the .40 S&W in was the Glock 27. It hurt to fire it and I didn't even want to fire a hundred rounds that I had before I sold the thing... Didn't have a problem with the Glock 22 or 23 or even a Browning Hi Power in .40 but that 27 was pure evil. In medium sized pistols I think they are fine but I think that most people who carry medium sized pistols can handle the .45 ACP and still prefer it over the .40 S&W.
I think you're misreading that whole article you linked to. To me, at first it tells the false rumors which were circulated about the .40. Then it gives the actual cornoner's results and they were, cut and paste from your link:
• There is plenty of inaccurate information
regarding ballistics/terminal performance
disseminated on web forums, even those which are
dedicated as LE only.
• The .40 S&W ammunition did not fail in this
incident.
• The performance of the .223 TAP ammunition,
although consistent with manufacturer's claims,
did not perform terminally as this Police
Department expected.
• Six .40 S&W rounds, five which expanded, were
recovered on autopsy.
• It is impossible for .40 S&W 180 gr. JHP
ammunition to expand with only 1 in. or less
penetration in a human body.
So, it was the AR that failed and not the .40. I am not a fan of heavy AR bullets for social work.