Why do we know so little about this gun? With firearms and weaponry expert, Jonathan Ferguson

[tac]

Unpleasantness...Yeah i hear that from all the buddies wives ..I guess i can mute the video and watch it so as to prevent a headache. I got lots of Weapon/Firearm connected nature i can attach..Like Name a english made firearm that was 100% designed by a Englishman and not a foreigner that was accepted into Military use. Cant be a copy of something made elsewhere.

Howsabout you show us how much you know and tell us instead?

 

[Val1884]

shares some similarities to the pedersen self loading rifle of .276. Also which Vickers had copied for trials.

 

[tac]

That much is evident, but I'm waiting to hear about the English-designed military firearms that were adopted into military use, as requested here - 'Like Name a english made firearm that was 100% designed by a Englishman and not a foreigner that was accepted into Military use.'

Here's a clue, in pictures, without any accent to upset you - it's in two parts, as the list is too long for one post....

• Australia: Australian Defence Force with folding stock designated as the SR-98.[31]​
• Azerbaijan: Azerbaijani Special Forces and State Border Service (DSX)[32]​
• Bangladesh: used by Bangladesh Army special sniper unit Black Eagle.[33]​
• Botswana[34]​
• Cyprus: AXMC variant used by Special Forces.[35]​[36]​
• Czech Republic: Purchased a number of AWF rifles, mainly for the use of Special Forces.[37]​
• Greece: Special Anti-Terrorist Unit (EKAM)[38]​
• Indonesia: AW and AX308 version used by the Indonesian National Armed Forces.[39]​[40]​[41]​
• Ireland: Irish Army, including Army Ranger Wing[42]​
• Italy: PM variant.[43]​ The AWS variant is used by the 9th Parachute Assault Regiment[44]​ and the AWP variant is used by the Carabinieri.[45]​
• Latvia[43]​
• Lithuania[46]​
• Malaysia: PM and AW variants are used by the Malaysian Special Operations Force.[47]​
• Netherlands: Korps Commandotroepen, Korps Mariniers, 11th Airmobile Brigade (Netherlands) (few AW, AWC and AXMC 7.62×51mm NATO chambered arms available).[48]​[49]​[50]​

 

[tac]

Part 2 -

• New Zealand[43]​
• Pakistan: Used by Special Services Group of Pakistan Army.[51]​
• Portugal: AI AWSF and AI AXMC versions are in use with Portuguese Army.[52]​[53]​
• Romania: AWP entered in the Brigada Antiteroristă in 1999.[54]​
• Russia: Used by the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia and Federal Security Service of Russia.[55]​
• Sierra Leone: Sierra Leone Police[56]​
• South Africa: South African Police Service Special Task Force and South African Special Forces[57]​
• Spain[43]​
• Sri Lanka[58]​
• Sweden: Adopted the AW rifle in 1988, designated as the Psg 90.[59]​[60]​
• United Kingdom: L96A1 entered service in the British Armed Forces in 1985.[54]​

 

[Val1884]

Howsabout you show us how much you know and tell us instead?

Too easy.. The sten..a marval of english engineering..The sterling..( Stens DD sexier Blonde cousin) Done by Mr Patchett
L85 series is partly of english design but mostly from a polish immigrant Stefan Jansen
The rest are foreign designs..Lee enfield is Paris Lee a Scottish american, Bren is Czech, Vickers is a knock off of a maxim, Webleys are S&W copies of a sort, FAL's are belgian, Mag 58's Belgian. Etc.. Could talk about Ar18's and colt copies and vast others..

 

[Val1884]

Ahh the Good ol Accuracy international..fine fine.. 1 for england..

 

[tac]

Wow, you are just WAAAAY too smart for me, Sir. I give up. Guess you could easily take over from Mr Ferguson in your spare time.

 

[Val1884]

Well you are Half genius half wit...Im only a mere 1/3 genius 1/3 half wit and 1/2 charming as a roadkill coon.

 

[tac]

Well you are Half genius half wit...Im only a mere 1/3 genius 1/3 half wit and 1/2 charming as a roadkill coon.

From your mouth to G*d's ear.

 

[Provincial]

Having grown up speaking four languages, and adding another four since,with a working knowledge of another three, I don't really have much of what you might call a 'British' accent, bearing in mind the complexities of the more-than-forty identifiable regional accents in England alone, let alone Wales, Scotland and Ireland.

tac,

At the risk of thread drift, is there any truth to the story that Great Britain organized troops during WWI in a manner that kept soldiers amongst others with the same or similar local dialects so that they could understand each other better? I can see that this could be a factor in the heat of combat, where a misunderstood communication (even having to repeat a sentence or a command) could be the difference between life and death.

 

[tac]

tac,

At the risk of thread drift, is there any truth to the story that Great Britain organized troops during WWI in a manner that kept soldiers amongst others with the same or similar local dialects so that they could understand each other better? I can see that this could be a factor in the heat of combat, where a misunderstood communication (even having to repeat a sentence or a command) could be the difference between life and death.

Not exactly the case, but in the crazy inrush of volunteers to join the fight, whole local districts in the industrial areas of the UK joined up en masse. Usually called 'Pal's Battalions' you can now do a little research on them. Whole factory-loads of men of eligible age joined up together, to stay together and often die together in huge numbers.

All over UK, this was commonplace - many Welsh units were made up entirely of Welsh-speakers, and the same happened with the Highland and Lowland Scottish regiments.

As a note of just how this could affect the local population, this images show the dead in just one small town in 1915 - Grimsby -



The "Grimsby Chums" was formed by former schoolboys of Wintringham Secondary School in Grimsby. Many other schools, including some of the leading public schools, also formed battalions. Several sportsmen's battalions were formed, including three battalions of footballers: 17th and 23rd (Service) Battalions, Middlesex Regiment, and 16th (2nd Edinburgh) (Service) Battalion, Royal Scots, the last-mentioned battalion containing the entire first and reserve team players, several boardroom and staff members, and a sizable contingent of supporters of Scottish professional club Heart of Midlothian F.C.[3]​ Out of nearly 1,000 battalions raised during the first two years of the war, 145 Service and seventy Reserve infantry units were locally raised Pals battalions.[2]​ Some Pals battalions were trade/social-background linked rather than area linked, such as artists' battalions and sportsmen's battalions. Professional golfers Albert Tingey, Sr., Charles Mayo, and James Bradbeer joined Pals battalions.[1]​

The 17th and 32nd Battalions, Northumberland Fusiliers were almost entirely created from the ranks of the North Eastern Railway. For members who joined the battalions, the North Eastern Railway gave some offers including; provisions for wives and dependants; to keep men's positions open; to pay their contribution to the Superannuation and Pensions and to provide accommodation for the families who were occupying company houses.[4]​

Roles
While the majority of Pals units were infantry battalions, local initiatives resulted in the raising of forty-eight companies of engineers, forty-two batteries of field artillery and eleven ammunition columns,[2]​ drawn mainly from groups with common occupational backgrounds. The relatively high skills and educational levels of many Pals battalions meant an outflow of potential officers for commissioning elsewhere, from 1915 on.

Casualties

A commemorative plaque for the Preston Pals

Many of these locally raised battalions suffered heavy casualties during the Somme offensives of 1916. A notable example was the 11th (Service) Battalion (Accrington), East Lancashire Regiment, better known as the Accrington Pals. The Accrington Pals were ordered to attack Serre, the most northerly part of the main assault, on the opening day of the battle. The Accrington Pals were accompanied by Pals battalions drawn from Sheffield, Leeds, Barnsley, and Bradford.[5]​ Of an estimated 700 Accrington Pals who took part in the attack, 235 were killed and 350 wounded within the space of twenty minutes.[6]​ Despite repeated attempts, Serre was not taken until February 1917, at which time the German Army had evacuated to the Hindenburg Line.

And the Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders in 1914 and again in 1918 -


July 1st 1916 - the First Day of the Somme Offensive - wiped out the Newfoundlanders at Beaumont Hamel.

So far as can be ascertained, 22 officers and 758 other ranks were directly involved in the advance.[20]​ Of these, all the officers and slightly under 658 other ranks became casualties.[20]​ Of the 780 men who went forward only about 110 survived unscathed, of whom only 68 were available for roll call the following day.[20]​ For all intents and purposes the Newfoundland Regiment had been wiped out, the unit as a whole having suffered a casualty rate of approximately 80%. The only unit to suffer greater casualties during the attack was the 10th Battalion of the West Yorkshire Regiment, attacking west of Fricourt village.[21]​

 

[Mikej]

HEY! Are we going to have to separate you two?

 

[tac]

HEY! Are we going to have to separate you two?

I rather hoped that we would agree to ignore each other henceforth, then he can be as unpleasant as he likes, and I can p*ss him off by refusing to rise to his comments.

 

[Mikej]

I rather hoped that we would agree to ignore each other henceforth, then he can be as unpleasant as he likes, and I can p*ss him off by refusing to rise to his comments.

Hey, I get some entertainment value out of it! It might be like being in a Pub over there and watching a real donnybrook break out from the sidelines. And I'm learning some good stuff!

 

[tac]

I'm not here to fight. I'm here to learn or share.

 

[Val1884]

Unpleasant? Man ...you need a ice cold afternoon pint. I'm not pissed off this has been fun. So same time next month? I needed a good laugh before I drown in building chauchats.

 

[WillametteWill]

And a shrubbery....

The "a shrubbery" made me literally laugh out loud.

So, do we also need to cut down the mightiest tree in the forest wiiiiiith...a herring?

Just checking

 

[Capn Jack]

Always interesting to hear from you tac. Between our civil war and the Brits learning about machine guns the hard way in WWI, people like George Soros must have been rubbing their hands in glee.

 

[GWS]

Having grown up speaking four languages, and adding another four since,with a working knowledge of another three, I don't really have much of what you might call a 'British' accent, bearing in mind the complexities of the more-than-forty identifiable regional accents in England alone, let alone Wales, Scotland and Ireland.

What truly hacks me off about comments like those we read above is the ease with which those who write them make judgement calls on strangers they will likely never meet.

Can you listen to somebody talking expertly about guns and decide that they are Lutheran, Jewish, a tree-fondler or frog-worshipping pagan? Let alone their political affinities? I admit to being quite a clever kind of a guy, but I'm darned if I can.

Well, when they call any gun I happen to own a weapon of mass destruction that has no place in civilian hands. I'm going all in on "Liberal"

 

[Provincial]

I'm not here to fight. I'm here to learn or share.

Thanks for sharing about the Pals! That was very enlightening, but sad.