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Where can i get a stinger pen gun????? please help

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by Dhunter243, May 28, 2013.

  1. Dhunter243

    Dhunter243 Estacada Oregon Member

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  2. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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  3. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Neat cool I like it. For $1200.00 or even $600.00 I could find a whole lot of other ways to take all afternoon to fire 20 rounds.
     
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    bassman2 SW WA Active Member

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    Interesting - the ad says no Stamp required... off to do some research.....
     
  5. waltermitty

    waltermitty seattle Active Member

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    correct. as mentioned in the video it is a title 1 firearm ergo no tax stamp required.
     
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    waltermitty seattle Active Member

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    dhunter - let me take a look. may have one for you. raymond-
     
  7. Dhunter243

    Dhunter243 Estacada Oregon Member

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    Thank you for all the responses I could not find it
    On gunbroker last night but wow did not realize what
    They are worth lol
     
  8. Dhunter243

    Dhunter243 Estacada Oregon Member

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    I am intrested please pm me not sure about 1200 cash tho but maybe trades
     
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    waltermitty seattle Active Member

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    no worries. i'm all for capital gains but have no interest ripping anyone off. will advise.
     
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  10. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    What is interesting about it? It is a title 1 firearm since it fully meets the definition of pistol when fired.

    Pen guns that do NOT have to be folded to be shot do NOT meet the definition of pistol there for are title 2 firearms.
     
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    Cheesemaker Tillamook Active Member

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    corvine63 Charlotte, NC New Member

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    If you are still in search for a .22l Stinger pen gun, I'm willing to part with mine. It has had 5 shots put through it and is in great condition. I just wish it was a little more useful. Feel free to hit me up.:thumbup:
     
  13. waltermitty

    waltermitty seattle Active Member

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    (this article in latest Small Arms Review)

    Small/Arms Review' Vol. 17, No.4· Oct., Nov., Dec. 2013 41
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    Pen guns. The thought likely conjures up images of secret agents, special operations, and deadly
    subterfuge. At the very least, in this age and time, they bring to mind transfer taxes and paperwork.
    One company, however, for a time produced a line of pen guns that was reasonably priced and transferred
    like a conventional handgun. The resulting product was either an engineering work of art, a
    plaintiff's attorney's dream, or both.

    A Dark History

    Stinger is a term that has been associated
    with pen guns for decades. The British
    Special Operations Executive (SOE)
    was established in July of 1940 under the
    ultimate command of Dr. Hugh Dalton,
    the English Minister of Economic Warfare.

    The mission of the SOE was to
    take the fight to the Nazis in the occupied
    territories whether that be repatriation
    of downed fliers, sabotage, or, on occasion,
    assassination. The SOE operated
    a weapons research facility out of WeIywn
    Garden near London where engineers
    developed weapons for the SOE's
    5,000 clandestine operatives that were
    effective, transportable, and concealable.

    These weapons included some of the earliest
    effective suppressed firearms, collapsible
    crossbows, and guns designed to
    operate as parts of belts, gloves, pipes, or
    cigarettes. Designers at this facility also
    produced a variety of pen guns.

    The typical pen gun of the era fired a
    6.35mm cartridge and could still pass for
    a writing instrument in dim light. One
    particular version was common enough
    to be type-classified as the T-2 and fired
    a .22 short cartridge. This weapon was
    disposable and could be concealed in the
    palm of your hand.

    The Military Armament Corporation,
    the same folks who brought us the MAC
    series of submachine guns designed by
    Gordon Ingram, produced pen guns that
    sported the name Stinger in the early 70s.
    Interestingly, their Stingers could be had
    with matching sound suppressors. These
    weapons were well-made and lethal
    though records of any operational use are
    understandably sketchy. The few Stingers
    that were sold commercially during
    that time went for $36 each new.

    What Does ATF Think of All This?

    Original Stinger pen guns fall under
    the purview of the ational Firearms Act
    in the category of "Any Other Weapon,"
    a sort of catch-all heading that categorizes
    weapons such as cane guns, umbrella
    guns, and purpose-built handgun-sized
    shotguns. While the paperwork involved
    in purchasing one of these weapons is
    identical to that required to own a suppressor,
    machine gun, or short-barreled
    rifle or shotgun, the transfer tax is a paltry
    $5.

    The more contemporary Stinger circumvents
    the NFA categorizations brilliantly.
    Originally marketed by the Stinger
    Manufacturing Company of Sault St.
    Marie, Michigan, today's Stinger rides in
    your pocket just as would a linear writing
    instrument but deploys into a more familiar
    angular handgun shape prior to firing.
    The accompanying literature claims that
    the weapon can be deployed in about two
    seconds and actual hands-on experience
    has born that out.

    It should be noted that I have a degree
    in Mechanical Engineering and have
    spent my entire adult life immersed in
    guns and similar mechanical contrivances.
    Despite this, and with the factory
    manual at my fingertips, it took me
    nearly an hour of fiddling to get to the
    point where I could consistently deploy,
    fire, recock, and stow my Stinger pen gun
    without frustrating myself. In their defense,
    however, the Stinger is the archetypal
    last-ditch weapon. The Stinger is
    the tool you use when the alternative is
    bare hands and foul language.

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    Deploying and firing the gun is not challenging
    and this process is fairly intuitive.
    However, if someone is trying to
    reload the piece tactically for a follow-up
    shot then something has obviously gone
    desperately wrong.

    How Does It Shoot?

    The rifled barrel of the Stinger is two
    inches long and the gun has no sights.
    No one will be shooting the Camp Perry
    matches with this rascal. However, the
    workmanship, fit, and finish on the piece
    are superb and one really would not want
    to be downrange from it in an up close
    and personal confrontation. Trigger pull
    is adequately crisp and positive though
    recoil is, believe it or not, a bit attention
    getting even in .22 Long Rifle. I can consistently
    keep my rounds on a pie plate on
    a pleasant day at the range out to about
    ten feet. Considering the piece really is
    designed to be used at contact ranges this
    is adequate.
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    Just How Do You Make It Work?

    The Stinger is legitimately elegant
    mechanically. As a safety mechanism it
    incorporates a floating breech that cams
    into position with manipulation of the
    safety ring. This mechanism only allows
    the firing pin to contact the cartridge
    when the pistol is deployed into its angular
    configuration and the safety ring is
    rotated. In practice this makes for an unusual
    manual of arms.

    Loading is straightforward with a gun
    that is cocked and in its pen configuration.
    The operator simply unscrews the
    barrel, drops in a cartridge, and screws
    the barrel back in place. Deploying the
    weapon for firing is simple. Grasping the
    opposite ends of the gun the operator extends
    the two halves and pivots the toggle
    joint in its center before allowing the
    two halves to settle back into each other
    at a mechanically-detennined angle due
    to spring tension within the body of the
    piece. This movement deploys the trigger,
    a simple flat steel appendage, from
    the body of the gun. This also engages a
    tab on the barrel that prevents its removal
    until the gun is retracted back into its linear
    pen configuration. The shooter then
    rotates the safety ring slightly clockwise
    as viewed by the firer (the only direction
    it will tum) until the ring finds its natural
    detent position. Pressure on the trigger
    then fires the gun.
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    At this point the barrel is locked in
    place and cannot be removed for reloading.
    This requires cycling the action
    twice to reset the safety, release the barrel
    for removal, stow the trigger, and recock
    the firing mechanism. While this is
    counter-intuitive, it does indeed require
    two complete iterations of this exercise
    to release the mechanism completely. As
    mentioned, it is complicated.



    Anyone interested in acquiring one of these
    little marvels should do so with reasonable
    expectations. It is mechanically
    brilliant. Its designers built this device
    in such a way as to allow it to be sold
    in the U.S. as a conventional title I fireann
    while still facilitating open carry as
    though it was a writing instrument. It also
    incorporates sufficient mechanical safety
    features as to make it safe to carry loaded
    and retracted in one's shirt pocket. Herein
    lies the problem. To design a weapon
    that will meet these requirements yet still
    have any hope of succeeding in today's
    hyper-litigious environment makes it mechanically
    cumbersome. As such, it really
    is only an appropriate piece for the
    advanced shooter or collector who will
    take his time and study the mechanism.

    Stingers can be tough to find these
    days. Originally produced in both .22 LR
    and .25 ACP versions, both have been out
    of production for some time. There have
    even been a couple of "sniper" versions
    produced with long barrels and telescopic
    sights. This sounds to me like the fruits
    of a gifted designer with some proper
    machine tools and too much free time.

    Additionally, there was a fairly high
    profile incident wherein a rap artist who
    was said to be intoxicated at the time was
    playing with a Stinger at a party and accidentally
    killed himself. In a political environment
    wherein it is a definitive uphill
    struggle to convince anyone but the most
    ardent gun enthusiast that a pen gun of
    any sort may be legally owned and carried,
    this makes for some unique marketing
    challenges. For the right person with
    the right inclinations and a little patience,
    however, finding a Stinger at a gun show
    or local gun shop can add a useful and
    fascinating tool to the right collection.

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  14. Blitzkrieg

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    Since my new biz will include the manufacture of very cool walking sticks/canes and staffs, I wish the concept wasn't NFA. .410 shotshell canes were somewhat common in the old days
     
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    FastFood United States New Member

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    Interested in the 22lr version, pmed.
     
  16. Certaindeaf

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    You could probably try the classifieds. They are just down below, don't you know. That's code for punt yo bung down the crick.
     
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    FastFood United States New Member

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    Regularly check the classifieds.
    Thanks for the advice but I dont understand black language (no offense to you if your african american to be politically correct).

    I had to look it up but according to urbandictionary.com

    "Crick" refers to people who have achieved an Ultra-Rich status. To be labeled as "Crick" is an enormous compliment.
    Not everyone can be crick. It is a term that solely describes the elite.

    So I guess you are asking if I drop my load in rich chicks? You are correct but that has no relevance to the thread.
     
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    Crick is also colloquial for creek.

    We pronounce Johnson Creek locally, as Johnson Crick.
     
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    wjbennett arizona New Member

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    I have one
    still in original box. and will sell make me an offer.
     
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    wjbennett arizona New Member

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    wrong,
     
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