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UPDATE - Trayvon-shooting town: No guns on patrol

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by U201491, Nov 1, 2013.

  1. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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  2. BigStick

    BigStick Sherwood, OR Well-Known Member

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    "The city’s police department announced the volunteers will no longer be allowed to carry handguns, even if they are licensed, while patrolling their communities."

    Are they legally allowed to do that? Is there anything in the laws allowing concealed carry that permit any agency to prohibit carrying while performing specific functions?

    No way I would "sign up" for neighborhood watch in that case. I may still watch the neighborhood, but certianly not officially.
     
  3. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Phhppttt.. Neighborhood Watch is NOT an "official organization" with binding administrative rules for the participants, and the COP has no authority to dictate what the participants can/can't carry upon themselves, beyond statutory law. I would do what I want/need to do anyway.

    That being said, in context of the article and in application to my neighborhood, me and the wife were pretty active in the neighborhood watch thing but got tired of trying to drag the rest of the residents to get more organized and being one of the very few (if the only ones) to show up at the meetings where the local PD liaison took the time to attend.... Soooooo, my vigil is pretty much one or two houses to my left and right these days, then any observation I happen upon randomly.

    Night before last, I rousted some dude's "groove" wearing a dark hoodie and walking through the streets at 0230 with my (hates EVERYBODY) Lab, and a million+cp spotlight... He must have been up to less than honorable intentions as he took off pretty fast, but I painted him with the spotlight for half a block before he was out of range... Flippin' meth-head "shopping" for "midnight loot", I reckon.

    Was pretty funny actually, the way he "scootered" out of there like he did. :bluelaugh:
     
  4. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    We used to be block watch captains. Nothing was ever said about not being armed.

    When I did handicapped parking patrol the rules were, "no guns" while on patrol. I had a CPL and I was free to choose to follow the rules or not. If they had "made me" all they could do was kick me off the patrol. They never did and I found a job so didn't have the time anymore.

    On edit: We were deputized and sworn in and had to take the same voice stress test as a Clark Co Sheriff's officer except the only "power" we had was to write parking tickets for handicapped parking violations. As far as I know it never expires either.


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  5. soberups

    soberups Newberg Well-Known Member

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    Ideally, a neighborhood watch patrol would always have at least two people working as a team, and in addition to being armed they would have pepper spray or Tasers. I dont blame Zimmerman for ultimately doing what he had to do to save his life, but he put himself in a bad situation by being alone and not having any less-lethal options available to him. For liability reasons, I would not ever participate in a neighborhood watch armed and by myself.
     
  6. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner You'll Never Know Well-Known Member

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    Look for Neighborhood Watch programs to slowly go away...Exactly what the police and politicians want... That way the huddled masses turn to government for protection. "We need more police to protect us", they will cry! "We need to increase taxes to pay for it", the politician will reply. Beware, the promise of protection in exchange for money. That ploy is as old as mankind!!
     
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  7. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    LMAO.... Yeah, in Sicily they have that program refined to a fine art!
     
  8. BAMCIS

    BAMCIS Eugene Well-Known Member

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    Well said. :thumbup:
     
  9. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    Its all about job security and control and scaring people to anti up more tax money.
    Its never been about stopping crime.
     
  10. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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  11. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Nowhere near as bright as the million CP light.


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  12. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    Hmm - I have a million CP light and it is just about as bright as a Xeon headlight on 'bright' in a car; the 12 T6 LED light is easily 5x that bright ... so we'll agree to disagree.

    A million CP light is <$30 shipped for a reason; not that bright in comparison to the super-LEDs anymore.


    In fact, might as well get a 15 million CP for $50 if you want to be in the ballpark - http://www.ebay.com/itm/15-Million-...5584510?pt=US_Flashlights&hash=item3cd79f61fe But even the 15 million CP will come up short against an array of 12-15x T6s and the T6s will run 5-6x longer out in the field. Much better for 'spotlighting' a specific target and you won't be making neighbors angry splashing unnecessary light everywhere.

    Sorry, I know lights .... just saying' ....

    I should mention that these newer LED arrays are so bright you should avoid pointing them at short (1'-15') range into someone's eyes. They can damage retinas. Aim for the chest and you light someone up like a torch, even at amazing distances. We are talking 1000' range here.
     
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    Kevinkris Aloha Well-Known Member

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    solution: remove the signs that say "neighborhood watch" with signs that say "residents of this neighborhood carry weapons". need i say more?
     
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    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Hmmmm.... affirmative action installs another unqualified dope merely based on the color of their skin... Yet again.
     
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    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    I was going to do something similar to that, but the wife shot me down (not literally... LOL)
     
  17. semperfi68to70

    semperfi68to70 South Salem, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    There is no way I would ever even consider participating in a "neighborhood watch". My neighbors had better learn to watch out for themselves. It reminds me of my time in the military when it was described as "the unwilling, doing the unnecessary for the ungrateful". I am a huge believer in self-reliance.

    If I were to see someone breaking into my neighbor's house I would be happy to dial 911, but that is as far as I am willing to go. I am not going to try to take some a hole into custody or shoot it out with him or worse be shot by the police when they get there and see me with a firearm. Break into my house and I will dial 911 for you. I think Zimmerman proved how foolish this neighborhood watch crap is.
     
  18. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    But, he still maintains they have a legal right to ban carry wile patrolling. I don't know their state laws but I do disagree with his statement.


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  19. DeanfromOregon

    DeanfromOregon Wilsonville Amateur Ascended Master Platinum Supporter

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    Because the "Citizens on Patrol" program is an actual department sanctioned program. If you want to participate in their program one of the rules is that you don't carry. If you want to walk around your neighborhood on your own you can do it.

    Personally I can't hear "Citizens On Patrol" without thinking of the Police Academy movies and laughing.
     
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    BigStick Sherwood, OR Well-Known Member

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    This is exactly what one neighborhood is doing. I was shocked and happy when I saw this news story. I would love to live on a Glock block.

    New neighborhood group: 'This is a Glock block'