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This might explain the ammo shortage.

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Rusty Shackleford, Apr 25, 2013.

  1. Rusty Shackleford

    Rusty Shackleford Portland Member

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    This was sent to me via a reliable source,

    You may not know this but George Soros owns most of the ammunition
    Manufacturing companies and many arms manufacturers as well. He's selling
    ONLY to the government right now, per WH & DHS orders. My son works for
    ATK, who owns just about all the rest of the ammunition companies that
    Soros doesn't own. He tells me that ATK has been ordered by the federal
    Government to curtail sales of ammunition, primers and powder to the
    Retail market. What you see currently on the shelves is old stock and
    what's left in the warehouses since the CT shootings and new stock will
    NOT be appearing anytime soon. ATK and Soros' companies have more than
    Enough government contracts to keep them going for years to come. Like
    Soros' companies, ATK is a huge defense contractor and they've been told
    To sell ONLY to the DOD, TSA, FBI, DHS and local/federal law enforcement
    Agencies. This is VERY scary and VERY ominous for what's coming down the
    Pike in the future.

    My son has seen the proposed pricing schedule for Federal, CCI, Hornady,
    Remington, Winchester and several other ammunition manufacturer's lines of
    Ammunition, components, reloading equipment (ATK owns Outers, RCBS, Hoppe
    And a host of others) and he's flabbergasted! As an example, when the
    Sales of .22 LR bulk ammo resumes, the pricing will be over $50.00 for a
    535-round Value Pak! That's nearly a dime-a-shot!! They're also going to
    Raise the prices by 300 - 400% on dies, presses, powder measures and the
    Like. He's in management there at ATK in Salt Lake City and they're NOT
    Happy with it at all! They firmly believe this will basically shut-down
    The civilian market while leaving the government as the only purchaser of
    Their products. He saw the government pricing for the centerfire
    Ammunition they've been stockpiling and their prices have actually dropped
    From a year ago so the feds are buying this stuff REAL cheap while we
    Can't even get our hands on it at all!

    Something I've always said since Obummer came onto the scene in 2008 is
    That, even if they can't actually ban the weapons themselves, the
    Government will make it nearly impossible for us civilians to feed them
    With ammo, reloading components and the like. The WH doesn't HAVE to
    Actually ban the guns, as Biden said in one of his many faux pas,
    Foot-in-the-mouth, Freudian slip speeches he's famous for making. " All
    We have to do is to make it too expensive to use them and the public will
    Eventually give them back to us if we offer an attractive price for these
    Weapons". What's an "attractive price" - a $10.00 Walmart gift card for a
    $3,000.00 custom hunting rifle? Those were his EXACT words in one of the
    Speeches he gave to the freshman congressmen last week! Remember, Biden
    Was one of the architects of the Clinton gun ban of years ago. I think
    he's as dangerous to the Second Amendment as Obozo is, maybe more so,
    Because he's so stupid and doesn't know the muzzle of a gun from the

    Feel free to pass this on so gun owners will be aware of what we're up
    Against. I doubt the NRA can do anything about it, IMHO. La Pierre can
    Get on all the talk shows he's invited to and cry the blues about the
    Assault weapons laws that are forthcoming from the WH but the real crux of
    The matter will be whether or not we'll ever be able to purchase
    Ammunition (at all) or, if we can, what we'll be paying for it. As an
    Aside, here, I deal a LOT with Midsouth Shooters Supply for my reloading
    Components. Two weeks ago I ordered 500 cases each of .45 Casull, .44
    Magnum, .357 Magnum and 9mm Parabellum. I was told everything I had
    Ordered was out-of-stock and no in-stock delivery date was being forecast.
    They wouldn't even accept a backorder for this stuff! Think the
    Government isn't manipulating it? Think again, my friend..
  2. 308

    308 ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Silver Supporter

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    I prefer to see links to credible sources before I take the bait....thanks
  3. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    PLEASE JUST SHUT UP this kind of creative writing crap does nothing to help the matter.

    The ammo shortage is the 100 guys lined up at 6am outside Cabelas to rush in at 9 am and buy every round of ammo that hit the shelves the night before.

    This government is buying everything or controling everything CRAP is getting old.
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  4. 1970camaroRS

    1970camaroRS Mill Creek, WA Member

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    That's a big, heaping load of BS.
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  5. speeddemon94

    speeddemon94 The Rogue Well-Known Member

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    The fact that I don't have the means to wait in that line to get a little ammo to plink with is getting old.
  6. jluck

    jluck Really,Really, Close to Newport Oregon 97365 Voted #1 Member

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    I read this BS a month or two back.

    And if one don't have the means to "stand in line", They might want to purchase enough in the good times to last through the bad.
  7. speeddemon94

    speeddemon94 The Rogue Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I was kinda busy with the military and lost track of needing a stockpile of my own...Had all I could shoot then. I have just enough, but not a surplus to go and shoot.
  8. Rusty Shackleford

    Rusty Shackleford Portland Member

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    I cannot see how this effects the online vendors or the fact that reloading supplies are so difficult to come by.

    Hey fellas I don't wear a tinfoil hat or spend my weekends "huntin' Squatch", I'm just a normal guy who enjoys shooting. It's been months since Bi-mart has had any .22 ammo, sure blame it on the freaks camped out to get first strike at the delivery of the day, but then what. Are these folk selling it, hoarding it? Just ask yourself how realistic this scenario is given the troubled times we are in.
  9. 3MTA3

    3MTA3 DMZ between Liberty and Tyranny Behind Enemy Lines Bronze Supporter

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    Gimme an "H", gimme an "O", gimme an "A", gimme an "X"! What does it spell? Gullible!

    I'm hoping that the J@ck@$$es buying up all that ammo run out of credit and have to squirm when nobody buys at their inflated prices. It will happen, and it is starting to.

    In fact, since they are doing it to make profit, it would be fun to tip off the IRS if you can identify specific individuals on Craigslist and our own forum.
  10. 308

    308 ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Silver Supporter

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    Some hoarding because they are the soup line buyers who own fud guns and decided to go to the cool side when 0bongo (praise his holy name) was elected again.

    The sellers? Yes, look at the "_______s" in the classifieds selling a brick of "rare" POS Remington for $50. Yep, I know one of them doing it. His business is craigslist, egay and hosing soup line buyers who make their decisions based upon lack of knowledge and fear.

  11. John H

    John H Whatcom County Well-Known Member

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    The only people that believe this crap is what is referred to as "low information voters"

    Do at least 10 mins worth of research , before you forward the email crap.
  12. bolus

    bolus Portland Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Freedom Munitions puts up around 100-150 thousand rounds for sale almost every morning. limit is 500 rounds and it all sells out in about 15 minutes. 70,000 rounds of 9 mm this morning at 10:00am sold out in about 5 minutes. Its done that every day for weeks that I have been checking. Its all about 1/2 price of anywhere else. 33cent / round on 9mm for example.

    The government isnt buying their ammo at a 500/order limit. Its all right there on their site. Just all panic buying still.
  13. Kevinkris

    Kevinkris Aloha Well-Known Member

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    if that had any truth to it, you wouldnt see a single round on the shelve :bsflag:
  14. jluck

    jluck Really,Really, Close to Newport Oregon 97365 Voted #1 Member

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    Understood. I don't have enough to shoot like I did either.

    I stopped by Bimart today and herd a familiar voice....The guy that made a scene about the clerk "holding back ammo" AND "not leaving the store until he gets 22LR ammo" was there again bithchin about "when is this going to stop<?>") and within the same rant bragged to me how he shows up every morning to "buy all he can", I politely told him "It" will not stop because of people like him. He did not understand what I was saying....oblivious idiot.

    He was also looking for all the Hi-cap "clips" he could find for his pistols, I had to leave...
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  15. MrNiceGuy

    MrNiceGuy between springfield and shelbyville Well-Known Member

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    "My cousin Darrell sent me this email that he got from his other cousin Darrell who got it from that intrawebs person that sells the snake trouser enlargementizer pills" :rolleyes:

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  16. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Soros has NOTHING to do with the companies that make ammunition.

  17. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    So 'splain to me this... last I checked the ammo manufacturers (99.99% anyway) are private companies/corporations. How exactly does the government "order" them to only supply the usual "alphabet agencies" and not to the public marketplace? I don't recall an order of martial law, or declaration of national emergency being declared.

    I know what the middle fingers on both hands would be doing if I had some "bow-tie" wearing government pinhead waltzing into my joint and "ordering" me to cease supplying a legal (constitutionally protected no less) commodity to the general public.
  18. speeddemon94

    speeddemon94 The Rogue Well-Known Member

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    You know, I was at my Bimart a few weeks back, and I think the sales associates are part of the problem as well. I was not specifically there for ammo, I was picking up prescriptions, so I decided to wander back and survey the damage. I've all but given up finding anything in stock so I don't get my hopes up.

    There were 4 guys at the counter talking to the associate in hushed tones, I could not hear it all, but I caught snippets, and he was basically telling them when he would be putting out stock, and what was coming out. As I drew closer around the counter they dispersed. I decided to ask about what I thought he said was coming out and was told nothing at all. I grabbed the 2 boxes of 69gr HPBT .224 they had and left.

    I won't buy anything, anywhere other than a store right now, unless I see something for retail being resold. Too many people doing what your guy did and I want them to go away.
  19. locobob

    locobob Beaverton, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Hoarding and Scalping - this is why there is a shortage on ammo (at retail prices). There was a ton of ammo at last weeks gun show, you just had to be willing to pay the markup if you wanted it.
    I think speeddemon is correct, a lot of minimum wage clerks at the big retailers are likely making a few extra bucks by tipping off the scalpers.
  20. redhippie

    redhippie People's republic of PDX Active Member

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    I like the guys at Dick's. Supposedly, the employees get the first dibs on ammo.

    Ok, if I worked there part time makeing $9 or $10 an hour and had an opportunity to make an extra $100 week buying and selling ammo I would probably do it. I have heard folks complaining about this, but if I could only get a part time, no benefits job at a big box, I would take advantage of every opportunity to make a little extra.