The gun grabbers try yet another angle

jim97701 · Sep 21, 2015

Seems like it's a new B.S. story every week! What a load of carp!.
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slimmer13 · Sep 21, 2015

I just got dumberer reading that.

They actually tried to make it seem like it was some groundbreaking study that states with less restrictive gun laws have more people with guns, emphasis on youth. They did not though mention a comparison of crime rates. They also did not mention whether the youth they cited as "carrying a gun" were doing so illegally.

In other breaking news, states with more farms, have more farmers and coastal states have more surfers.

Disgusting display of agenda based idiot journalism.

edslhead · Sep 21, 2015

Apparently the study didn't include N Portland.

Morpheus · Sep 21, 2015

That is an interesting version of that article:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/21/us-health-teens-guns-idUSKCN0RL1OU20150921

Here is another article about the same study. In this one they at least talk about how the study has some questionable methodology and a lot of correlation not causation conclusions.

ZA_Survivalist · Sep 21, 2015

Disgusting. These stats are bogus. I hate how if you pay a research team enough, they'll make up any statistic you want.

I bet they'll push for mandatory storage & lock laws here soon.

Why do we put up with this bubblegum?!

Greenbug · Sep 21, 2015

I liked the comments at the end of the article though....

They were the best part of the entire read.

etrain16 · Sep 21, 2015

I just conducted a survey on gun control laws. 100% of the respondents in my focus group agreed that BGC laws as well as other gun laws such as magazine restrictions are B.S. and that any politician who proposes/pushes for them should be put in prison for life.

Asked if any person contributing money to anti-gun campaigns, such as Bloomberg, should be publicly caned, 100% also agreed this was the correct course of action.

This was a completely scientific survey of myself and my wife. There is a 0% margin of error.

With that in mind, these gun laws need to be stricken immediately - the poll sampling shows that 100% of the public demands it.

Somebody get the cane

Caveman Jim · Sep 21, 2015

Agree with any study that cites the Brady Campaign is totaly in the leftist agenda!!!
I don't trust em as far as I can throw any of them...

U201491 · Sep 21, 2015

jim97701 said:
Seems like it's a new B.S. story every week! What a load of carp!.
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Ohh yeah just look at LA, Chicago, New Your, New Jersey, and the rest of the major cities that have tyranical gun laws. That really works. Just made the gangs dry up and go away.......................... (PHART)
Those people must have help in wiping themselves, as they are not bright enough to do it themselves.

Gaucho Gringo · Sep 21, 2015

When I was in high school in Portland during the 65-69 time frame a favorite pastime among me and my friends was shooting. 4 to 8 of us would regularly go to Larch Mt with our .22's and shotguns by ourselves without any adult. In fact we kept our loaded guns & ammunition in our closets at home. We never shot anybody or caused any problems with our guns because we all knew that our parents would make us wish we were in jail if we did anything wrong with the guns. Today I can be prosecuted for a felony in Portland for even having a loaded gun not in a safe if any children under the age of 18 are present. How am I a threat as 64 year old adult having a loaded gun in a house with children less than 18 when after the age of 12 I always had access to a loaded gun in my bedroom? I dare say that if that were the law after 1945, 95 % of WW2 veterans would have been in prison. I realize that children need to be taught about not handling a gun unless supervised or reporting guns to an adult untill they are old enough to do so. I wish to keep my family safe as my daughter and my 3 & 8 year old grandchildren have moved back in with us, but if there was even a hint of something not down to the letter of the law, my daughters first ex and her soon to be 2nd ex would use that to their advantage and I am not willing to give them anything they can use against her.

U201491 · Sep 21, 2015

Yes and right up into 1960+ I carried a rifle or a shotgun and put in my locker to go hunting & shooting on the way home after school. Nobody said squat.

etrain16 · Sep 21, 2015

Well, 30 years ago I was a Junior in high school. I had a .22 (Marlin Model 60 - still have it) that my friends and I would take out plinking regularly (they didn't have guns themselves). We'd stop by Freddy's, pick up a couple of 50-round boxes for cheap and spend a few hours shooting not that far from home.

Sure miss the freedom to do that back then. We never hurt anyone or anything. Just had some good, clean, all-American boy type fun.

I still don't understand how this country got turned so far upside down

druiseeker · Sep 21, 2015

A better study would be: http://www.childrensdefense.org/library/data/gun-deaths-by-state.pdf. It looks at the total deaths of children and teens by state between the years 2000-2010. My ratings of state laws came from the Guns & Ammo rating on states and their gun laws.

I was curious about the total number of deaths, deaths per 100,000 residents, and national rank of those states per 100,000 deaths. I've abbreviated them as #D, #p/c, n/r.

I don't know what conclusions you can draw from this. The least AND most restrictive states have some of the highest and lowest # of deaths per capita.

Its a little hard to read as the formatting I put in there keeps disappearing.

States with most deaths per state:
T #D # p/c n/r
California 4,668 4.1 36
Texas 2,596 3.3 23
Illinois 1,705 4.4 39
Florida 1,527 3.2 19
Pennsylvania 1,356 3.8 32
New York 1,192 2.1 9
Michigan 1,175 3.8 31
Georgia 1,088 3.8 30
Louisiana 1,063 7.5 49
Ohio 991 2.9 15

Least restrictive gun law states:
T #D # p/c n/r
Arizona 903 4.9 43
Vermont 36 2.1 8
Alaska 197 8.7 50
Utah 195 2.0 7
Kentucky 391 3.2 18
Wyoming 73 4.6 41
Alabama 671 4.8 42
Kansas 283 3.2 21
Missouri 888 5.1 45
New Hampshire 44 1.2 2

Most restrictive gun control law states:
T #D # p/c n/r
Dist. of Columbia 309 21.7 51
New York 1,192 2.1 9
New Jersey 484 1.9 6
Massachusetts 273 1.5 3
Hawaii 15 0.4 1
California 4,668 4.1 36
Connecticut 156 1.5 4
Maryland 819 4.9 44
Illinois 1,705 4.4 39
Rhode Island 66 2.2 11
Delaware 84 3.4 24

U201491 · Sep 21, 2015

etrain16 said:
Well, 30 years ago I was a Junior in high school. I had a .22 (Marlin Model 60 - still have it) that my friends and I would take out plinking regularly (they didn't have guns themselves). We'd stop by Freddy's, pick up a couple of 50-round boxes for cheap and spend a few hours shooting not that far from home.

Sure miss the freedom to do that back then. We never hurt anyone or anything. Just had some good, clean, all-American boy type fun.

I still don't understand how this country got turned so far upside down

Communists and Marxists boiled the frog since 1968 in earnest. It began in 1963 but went full bloom in 68 and has progressed and grew ever since. What used to be the democrat party is now dominated my Marxists and communists and those that are not are with a nose ring and do not realize what has happened to them. They have to disarm everyone to complete their domination and are in process of pushing that now through the money channels like bloomberg, soros and those like him.
That is how it happened. I saw it begin in earnest in 1968 and when I tried to warn people what I witnessed at one of their "student Public interest" meetings I was called a conspiracy theorist. Well you now have the fruition of their plans. Will folks wake up in time. I am beginning to doubt it.

Caveman Jim · Sep 21, 2015

druiseeker said:
A better study would be: http://www.childrensdefense.org/library/data/gun-deaths-by-state.pdf. It looks at the total deaths of children and teens by state between the years 2000-2010. My ratings of state laws came from the Guns & Ammo rating on states and their gun laws.

I was curious about the total number of deaths, deaths per 100,000 residents, and national rank of those states per 100,000 deaths. I've abbreviated them as #D, #p/c, n/r.

I don't know what conclusions you can draw from this. The least AND most restrictive states have some of the highest and lowest # of deaths per capita.

Its a little hard to read as the formatting I put in there keeps disappearing.

States with most deaths per state:
T #D # p/c n/r
California 4,668 4.1 36
Texas 2,596 3.3 23
Illinois 1,705 4.4 39
Florida 1,527 3.2 19
Pennsylvania 1,356 3.8 32
New York 1,192 2.1 9
Michigan 1,175 3.8 31
Georgia 1,088 3.8 30
Louisiana 1,063 7.5 49
Ohio 991 2.9 15

Least restrictive gun law states:
T #D # p/c n/r
Arizona 903 4.9 43
Vermont 36 2.1 8
Alaska 197 8.7 50
Utah 195 2.0 7
Kentucky 391 3.2 18
Wyoming 73 4.6 41
Alabama 671 4.8 42
Kansas 283 3.2 21
Missouri 888 5.1 45
New Hampshire 44 1.2 2

Most restrictive gun control law states:
T #D # p/c n/r
Dist. of Columbia 309 21.7 51
New York 1,192 2.1 9
New Jersey 484 1.9 6
Massachusetts 273 1.5 3
Hawaii 15 0.4 1
California 4,668 4.1 36
Connecticut 156 1.5 4
Maryland 819 4.9 44
Illinois 1,705 4.4 39
Rhode Island 66 2.2 11
Delaware 84 3.4 24

Yeah, but, you have used right leaning data to correlate that the present gun laws in states with the most srengent gun laws have more deaths.

The truth is clear that the OP's study is bought and paid for by the vermin who would like all guns confiscated and law abiding gun owners in jail....

Nice numbers to slap in their faces.

Flopsweat · Sep 21, 2015

druiseeker said:
A better study would be: http://www.childrensdefense.org/library/data/gun-deaths-by-state.pdf. It looks at the total deaths of children and teens by state between the years 2000-2010. My ratings of state laws came from the Guns & Ammo rating on states and their gun laws.

I was curious about the total number of deaths, deaths per 100,000 residents, and national rank of those states per 100,000 deaths. I've abbreviated them as #D, #p/c, n/r.

I don't know what conclusions you can draw from this. The least AND most restrictive states have some of the highest and lowest # of deaths per capita.

Its a little hard to read as the formatting I put in there keeps disappearing.

States with most deaths per state:
T #D # p/c n/r
California 4,668 4.1 36
Texas 2,596 3.3 23
Illinois 1,705 4.4 39
Florida 1,527 3.2 19
Pennsylvania 1,356 3.8 32
New York 1,192 2.1 9
Michigan 1,175 3.8 31
Georgia 1,088 3.8 30
Louisiana 1,063 7.5 49
Ohio 991 2.9 15

Least restrictive gun law states:
T #D # p/c n/r
Arizona 903 4.9 43
Vermont 36 2.1 8
Alaska 197 8.7 50
Utah 195 2.0 7
Kentucky 391 3.2 18
Wyoming 73 4.6 41
Alabama 671 4.8 42
Kansas 283 3.2 21
Missouri 888 5.1 45
New Hampshire 44 1.2 2

Most restrictive gun control law states:
T #D # p/c n/r
Dist. of Columbia 309 21.7 51
New York 1,192 2.1 9
New Jersey 484 1.9 6
Massachusetts 273 1.5 3
Hawaii 15 0.4 1
California 4,668 4.1 36
Connecticut 156 1.5 4
Maryland 819 4.9 44
Illinois 1,705 4.4 39
Rhode Island 66 2.2 11
Delaware 84 3.4 24

But, but in the first article they said

Although the study did not address whether fewer teenagers carrying guns could lead to less youth gun violence and death, it is a "reasonable conclusion," Xuan said. Guns are involved in 83% of murders committed by youth and 45% of suicides, according to CDC data.

They wouldn't deliberately exaggerate, would they?