The closed threads in off topic

[U201491]

I apparently can't access quite a large portion of interactions Taku and I have had...

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It will only display 9 of our 30 matches, and when I click on the next page, nothing pops up. Are these deleted threads?

I'm pretty sure the exact post I'm thinking of was in the thread he started right around the time of the big thread Trlsmn started addressing Obama supporters (in which Taku laid down some thinly veiled, but apparently not directly threatening posts, also... check it out.... Classic)- http://www.northwestfirearms.com/le...tion-obama-voters-about-second-amendment.html

Anybody remember the thread I'm talking about? I can't even remember what the topic was... but I remember that he edited the OP a time or two, and kept freaking out that certain members didn't honor his request to not post in the thread. LOL. I think the topic was something along the lines of what are we going to do about all the libs on this board?

Dude got CRAZY hostile.

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The comment about Taku aside (which I 100% stand by and am continuing to research, as per his challenge)-

Did I not hit the nail on the head?? Does anyone here think that thread hostility and closings are caused by the existence and posting of liberal members?? You'd rather have a board where everyone agrees and insane conspiracy and extremism are left to fly down rabbit holes unchallenged? You really want this place to become a hub of Alex Jones videos?

Cut the lies and now.
I do not threaten you or anyone else. Your commentary and falsehoods are about as angry as I have gotten about anything here.
You liable or slander me here on a 100% false accusation.
Back it up or shut up.

I have very strong negative feelings towards marxists, communists and far left socialists and I have no qualms about telling them to their face. I dont go around lying about them as you do.
Damned right I am a conservative and I do defend my country, but I do not ever threaten. There is No substance in threats. Threats are for weak minded and weak people !

 

[U201491]

I can tell you right now that this site will always be open to and welcome people of dissenting opinion, the benefits of doing so are numerous. As soon as I have time I'm going to address the community as a whole as to this entire two party liberal/conservative fallacy that seems to have everyone so enthralled, and the fact that so many of you treat others on here so poorly, as if they're the enemy. If you think either party is working in your favor, you're sadly mistaken. Trying to figure out where someone lies on a simple left-right line is foolish, people are much more complex, and all this does is breed animosity and hurt our cause. Guess what? I'm about as liberal as one could be on a lot of issues. I could write a couple lines about my beliefs and people would be quick to label me as a liberal, when in fact, I'm a libertarian. We don't ask each other anymore, we just judge. 99% of the people on here share similar viewpoints on firearm ownership, by all standards we're on the same side, and many are downright vile to each other. This is going to stop, and I don't care if we lose half our "community" (note the quotes) doing it.

My dislike goes to marxists, communists and far left socialists.
They are who is destroying the country.
In truth there is only one party out there in power. We need a new party to ever stand a chance of keeping our country. One that observes and is willing to uphold the US Constitution and the current Adm, Senate and Congress don't seem willing to do that any longer.
As hor Bens outright lies, that angers me.
I have never once uttered a threat against any member of this forum.
You have every post I have ever made.
I am usually the one that has the attack made against for posts I do that the left spectrum doesnt seem to like.
I like your forum and you personally regardless of where you are politically, but there are venomous liberals on the forum that cant seem to stand anyone with any right leaning beliefs.
My objection most every time is when they crap on others threads.

 

[The B]

Cut the lies and now.
I do not threaten you or anyone else. Your commentary and falsehoods are about as angry as I have gotten about anything here.
You liable or slander me here on a 100% false accusation.
Back it up or shut up.

I have very strong negative feelings towards marxists, communists and far left socialists and I have no qualms about telling them to their face. I dont go around lying about them as you do.
Damned right I am a conservative and I do defend my country, but I do not ever threaten. There is No substance in threats. Threats are for weak minded and weak people !

This is the last time I'm gonna address you on this- I didn't say you threatened. I said you idealized violence against people you disagree with. Moron.

You're definitely the single biggest problem on this board, and I definitely think we'd see a lot fewer closed threads if you took a hike.

That said, I LIKE the drama you create, so if my votedcounted, you'd stay on the island.

 

[U201491]

This is the last time I'm gonna address you on this- I didn't say you threatened. I said you idealized violence against people you disagree with. Moron.

You're definitely the single biggest problem on this board, and I definitely think we'd see a lot fewer closed threads if you took a hike.

That said, I LIKE the drama you create, so if my votedcounted, you'd stay on the island.

Again you lie.
Your quote

Guys like Taku who have actually, literally, suggested violence against members of this board

Never once against any member of this forum !

 

[The B]

Nope.

Guys like Taku who have actually, literally, suggested violence against members of this board as an ideal retribution for posting opinions outside of his scope.

Those pesky extra words.

Keep it up, though. You're looking smarter all the time.

IBTL

 

[Joe Link]

Guys, please stop. We need to keep this on topic.

 

[Audrey]

If you think that because Joe did not specify Communists, Marxists, or Socialists as acceptable he therefore see them as unacceptable, or a threat to gun politics, I feel your reading comprehension is lacking. You've totally missed his point.

 

[U201491]

Guys, please stop. We need to keep this on topic.

I agree and it was til Ben stepped in.
I am going to go back to legislative issues for now and just wait to see what you are doing with your forum.
I pretty much expressed my thoughts and thank you for reading them.

 

[U201491]

If you think that because Joe did not specify Communists, Marxists, or Socialists as acceptable he therefore see them as unacceptable, or a threat to gun politics, I feel your reading comprehension is lacking. You've totally missed his point.

No I understand where he is and has nothing to do with the 3 elements you mentioned. That was what I expressed disapproval of.
You read the wrong thing into my statement.
Anyway take the clubs and do battle. We have a legislative battle that is more important right now.
I am going back to it.

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

Anything can be made to relate in some way to anything else. For these reasons the more gun-specific political discussion can be, the more united and effective our actions as pro-gun people can be. Stuff about OR SB1551 is relevant; stuff about the President's health care bill really isn't. Dividing ourselves based on political views outside of gun policy is self defeating.

Unfortunately Socialized medicine, the ultimate goal in the opinion of many, will determine at some point who can and cannot own a gun. Sometimes hot button non-firearms issues relate to the 2nd A.

 

[Tangent123123]

I'm looking at our mission statement here. It reads:

NorthwestFirearms.com was founded with three goals in mind, which comprise our mission statement:

Provide a family friendly online community for firearm enthusiasts of the Northwest to meet other enthusiasts, discuss various topics, share news, buy, sell, & trade, organize events, and much more.

Provide a resource for firearm owners to organize themselves for the purpose of protecting the second amendment and our firearm rights, as well as defeating gun-control legislation and anti-gun candidates.

Spread the message of safe firearm use and ownership, while promoting self defense, shooting sports, hunting, and collecting.


Nowhere in our mission statement does it promote pushing one political ideal over another or any politics beyond the second amendment and gun rights. I think some people misunderstand why this board is here and think it should be used for something beyond what it was originally meant to be. If so, then change the rules and mission statement. Otherwise rule #9 is pretty clear.

9. All political discussion must be directly related to firearms, gun rights, or the second amendment.

There are many different people here with many different viewpoints on various issues. Like religion, discussing these issues here is highly likely to offend and very little good can come of it. We need to be focusing on the things that bring us together (firearms), not the things that have the potential to divide us (politics).

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

I look forward to a polite discussion in another thread about, "Socialized Healthcare vs Gun Rights", if these discussions will continue in the new format.

 

[Dunerunner]

The question though is what does "Off Topic" mean. If we are discussing politics, the 2A, Socitey or the Opra Winfrey show and it doesn't relate to firearms does rule 9 apply. What does The New truck I want to buy, the Weather, the Dought, Bronco's Football, Bad Cops, A shooting incident Anywhere, The Super Bowl Winner, or Does anyone own an Ipad have to do with the 2A or firearms?

Yet they remain and others with just as much disconnect are closed citing rule 9 in "Off Topic".

 

[The B]

The question though is what does "Off Topic" mean. If we are discussing politics, the 2A, Socitey or the Opra Winfrey show and it doesn't relate to firearms does rule 9 apply. What does The New truck I want to buy, the Weather, the Dought, Bronco's Football, Bad Cops, A shooting incident Anywhere, The Super Bowl Winner, or Does anyone own an Ipad have to do with the 2A or firearms?

Yet they remain and others with just as much disconnect are closed citing rule 9 in "Off Topic".

If I'm not mistaken, "Off-topic" is perfectly OK so long as it isn't political. Unfortunately, due to partisanship, even non-partisan political topics can't be discussed (welfare, healthcare, abortion, etc, etc), because people partisanize EVERYTHING.

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

If I'm not mistaken, "Off-topic" is perfectly OK so long as it isn't political. Unfortunately, due to partisanship, even non-partisan political topics can't be discussed (welfare, healthcare, abortion, etc, etc), because people partisanize EVERYTHING.

Joe is gonna do what he's gonna do but none of this would be an issue if people just kept it civil. I agree though that EVERYTHING is political when you break it down. I don't think that can be helped unless you're uninformed about current events, history, religion etc.

 

[Dunerunner]

That is because there are varying opinions, different value systems, different life experiences among the membership. It isn't so much that discussions become Partisan, that folks have differing opinions. I feel the Liberal and Conservative tags get tossed around too much. My Dad and Uncle used to talk about politics and referred to the Dems and Rrrr's regularly. I remain confident that the more we are divided by other issues, we will never succeed in retaining the 2A. We have a commonality in gun ownership and the shooting sports. We can agree that the 2A wasn't written to protect our hunting rights, but rather to protect our right to self defense and afford us the ability to defend against a tyrannical government.

Let us find that commonality and unite behind it instead of bickering about all of the divisive rhetoric that is dumped on us every day.

 

[simon99]

I'm looking at our mission statement here. It reads:

NorthwestFirearms.com was founded with three goals in mind, which comprise our mission statement:

Provide a family friendly online community for firearm enthusiasts of the Northwest to meet other enthusiasts, discuss various topics, share news, buy, sell, & trade, organize events, and much more.

Provide a resource for firearm owners to organize themselves for the purpose of protecting the second amendment and our firearm rights, as well as defeating gun-control legislation and anti-gun candidates.

Spread the message of safe firearm use and ownership, while promoting self defense, shooting sports, hunting, and collecting.


Nowhere in our mission statement does it promote pushing one political ideal over another or any politics beyond the second amendment and gun rights. I think some people misunderstand why this board is here and think it should be used for something beyond what it was originally meant to be. If so, then change the rules and mission statement. Otherwise rule #9 is pretty clear.

9. All political discussion must be directly related to firearms, gun rights, or the second amendment.

There are many different people here with many different viewpoints on various issues. Like religion, discussing these issues here is highly likely to offend and very little good can come of it. We need to be focusing on the things that bring us together (firearms), not the things that have the potential to divide us (politics).

Provide a resource for firearm owners to organize themselves for the purpose of protecting the second amendment and our firearm rights, as well as defeating gun-control legislation and anti-gun candidates.

This issue is the litmus test....

If you see yourself as ( X) ......instead of ( Y) , then your views on the subject are going to differ dramatically. Refute or argue it all you want, the ideologies are so far out of alignment. Its impossible to have a conversation about the Second Amendment, pro-2A rights, anti gunners, and legislation without certain people feeling that they are being the focus group.

 

[Jim Colvill]

That is because there are varying opinions, different value systems, different life experiences among the membership. It isn't so much that discussions become Partisan, that folks have differing opinions. I feel the Liberal and Conservative tags get tossed around too much. My Dad and Uncle used to talk about politics and referred to the Dems and Rrrr's regularly. I remain confident that the more we are divided by other issues, we will never succeed in retaining the 2A. We have a commonality in gun ownership and the shooting sports. We can agree that the 2A wasn't written to protect our hunting rights, but rather to protect our right to self defense and afford us the ability to defend against a tyrannical government.

Let us find that commonality and unite behind it instead of bickering about all of the divisive rhetoric that is dumped on us every day.

Funny. That is the same conclusion reached by most members of the Liberal Gun Club.

 

[Father of four]

It is hard to not say, type, post on a topic without adding at least some of the things that we believe in. Just keeping something "On Topic" is virtually impossible. Firearms topics in general are too complex for just one view.

"I can't post that, that might offend...."
"I can't post that, it might be off topic."
"I can't post that, it might be considered rude."
"I can't post that, it sounds political."
"I can't post that, someone might take that as religious."
"I can't post that, it might somehow be against forum rules."


Awww, heck with it. I guess I want post anything to be sure I don't offend anyone.

 

[The B]

It is hard to not say, type, post on a topic without added at least some of the things that we believe in. Just keeping something "On Topic" is virtually impossible. Firearms topics in general are too complex for just one view.

"I can't post that, that might offend...."
"I can't post that, it might be off topic."
"I can't post that, it might be considered rude."
"I can't post that, it sounds political."
"I can't post that, someone might take that as religious."
"I can't post that, it might somehow be against forum rules."


Awww, heck with it. I guess I want post anything to be sure I don't offend anyone.

It's not about not saying things we believe in- we SHOULD be debating and preaching ONLY things we believe in. The problem is partisanizing what we believe in- calling this thing that I believe in a "conservative" value or stance or topic, and labeling the opposition, or anything at all that I don't like, "liberal."

Calling gun-control a "liberal" effort, for a very applicable example- That's gonna piss off every liberal on this board, who will tell you hell no that's not a liberal position.