The closed threads in off topic

[Blitzkrieg]

They have to stop. This site needs paying, patriotic members and they are going to BAIL if this continues. Seems we have a few over zealous mods

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[simon99]

Instead of closing threads, the thread jackers need to be banned.....all they do is incite chaos and misdirection until one of us gets involved in their little temper tantrums which gets the thread closed = mission accomplished by our MM ( Marxist member) quorum.

I could pretty much list the half dozen or so that need to be blacklisted.

 

[Dunerunner]

Off topic means, Off Topic! I've talked to Joey about this before...

 

[Blitzkrieg]

My belief is that Joey is OK and we simply have a few mods that need to be corrected or dismissed

 

[Blitzkrieg]

This is not going to go away, lets see some admin/mod responses, please

 

[U201491]

Instead of closing threads, the thread jackers need to be banned.....all they do is incite chaos and misdirection until one of us gets involved in their little temper tantrums which gets the thread closed = mission accomplished by our MM ( Marxist member) quorum.

I could pretty much list the half dozen or so that need to be blacklisted.

That is the best cure.

 

[rick]

Here's an idea. Don't know if Joe would go for it though

 

[simon99]

I personally feel we need a zero tolerance policy on anti-second amendment forum members. We have hundreds of threads on NWF relating to the lousy job that our politicians do in upholding their vows to the Constitution, but we allow members on this site to trash the Constitution every time they post????

 

[erudne]

The 2ndA exists to protect the 1st and all the rest but the Mods are running rough shod on the members, especially in the Off Topic claiming that Off Topic means it MUST be gun related as a means of favoring a certain agenda. This has been going on for years and is the reason I do not support this site w/money
(why pay to be mistreated?)
There are many other sites where the Mods are not members of the opposition party.
If I do not follow-up on these posts, you'll know I was banned for 'speaking truth to power'

 

[simon99]

I agree accept what about the ones whom are truly not trolls, but those who are confused or mislead. I have no idea whom they are. But I do know many come here to learn and get up on things. Would seem a tad rough right outta box we ban someone.
I am not going to get into semantics over the whole we can not change Liberals mind things. No body knows that for sure and I know personally people that have changed their perspective after learning the truth. It would be upsetting to turn away someone just because they have their information wrong. When its clear and obvious their intent is to confuse and cause Chaos I agree.
But not just because they do not get the rights they have. But hey its just me.

SW

I agree SW...we can still educate the sheep while dispatching the wolves that lurk on this site. They are fairly obvious to spot.

Another note - I'm not implying that we squelch freedom of speech, but the obvious attacks on the 2A, gun rights, liberty and freedom are absurd and need to stop.

 

[Dunerunner]

Those who refuse to see what America stands for and want to change it into some kind of equality based quasi European has been Socialistic utopian welfare state have the mistaken belief that in todays society, that the 2A doesn't apply or is out dated. They couldn't be more wrong and, it is those people who we need to convert. I know it is like water torture, but they are the ones who think all empowerment comes from government and not from the individual themselves. This is the mentality we have to work to change and I truly believe that excluding them from the discussion is a mistake and divisive.

Those without an open mind and a willingness to see through the fog of disinformation won't stay long and those that do "Get it" will stick around. JMO

But, there has to be open and factual discussion or nothing is accomplished other than creating a forum for a monkey fight!!

 

[Joe Link]

Just so you guys know, I appreciate you sharing this with us, as it's valuable feedback. Once we finish up with the redesign and migration to the new site we're going to re-evaluate all of this, with feedback like this taken into consideration. I know many of you are going to be upset, but one thing we will be doing is tightening up on the non-firearm political talk. If I have to fast track NorthwestLiberty.com, I will, but this is a firearm site. We need to keep our eye on the ball here. If someone writes a masterpiece of a post opposing a piece of anti-gun legislation, then turns around and writes another on the dangers of chemtrails, both posts are worthless to the average voter. I'll elaborate more on this later.

 

[DieselScout]

Just so you guys know, I appreciate you sharing this with us, as it's valuable feedback. Once we finish up with the redesign and migration to the new site we're going to re-evaluate all of this, with feedback like this taken into consideration. I know many of you are going to be upset, but one thing we will be doing is tightening up on the non-firearm political talk. If I have to fast track NorthwestLiberty.com, I will, but this is a firearm site. We need to keep our eye on the ball here. If someone writes a masterpiece of a post opposing a piece of anti-gun legislation, then turns around and writes another on the dangers of chemtrails, both posts are worthless to the average voter. I'll elaborate more on this later.

Joe I agree with you fully and I am glad you realize this.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Joe, I'm disappointed. Many relevant topics pertaining to our 2nd Amendment rights seem "non firearm" until they are understood. The legal and illegal invasion of our nation is definitely going to eventually end this liberty. Just keep in mind that we can also choose what forums to support with our donations. If this site becomes "high road 2" then I'm outa here

 

[Joe Link]

I understand that completely. We'll talk more on this subject when the time comes.

 

[simon99]

In our current political environment, how can firearms and politics not be separated?

 

[U201491]

Just an opinion, but guns are political. If we wish to retain them then politics of the Constitution and especially the 2 nd amendment are totally relevent.
There are many avenues that those that wish to destroy our constitution use to influence everyone from media, the education system, pc politics, have used to chip away at the country and the most sacred and unique document in the world.
The one thing they have to do is destroy the 2nd Amendment before they can tear the rest of the US Constitution apart.
The ability to discuss all the politics that have led to the near demise of the 2nd is why I like this forum over most others.
To tighten up and or reduce that ability would probably move me to other venues also.
I have spent my life fighting for our 2nd amendment.
Without it there is no need for any firearms forum as there will be no firearms. The two topics go hand in hand. The politics of what has led the nation to the state it is in is as, if not more important than just talking about guns alone.

I think if you remove the politics it will become equal to watching paint dry. Also it will do an injustice to our Constitution.

There are too many no politics allowed firearms forums now, and it is why I seldom frequent them.

 

[Mark W.]

I personally would prefer a much tighter emphasis on firearms. Less of the Police state, survivalist, tin foil hat crap.

I read the forum from the New posts Button and its a PITA to wad through all the holier then thou I support this more then you crap. I sure don't need to be yelled at by a bunch of cheerleaders. I know what's going on and why. I've known all about the fight for Gun rights since the spring of 1968.

I came here to talk about firearms not about all the other crap. If I wanted all the other crap I would go to a forum called NORTHWEST ALL THE OTHER CRAP.....

 

[DieselScout]

I personally would prefer a much tighter emphasis on firearms. Less of the Police state, survivalist, tin foil hat crap.

I read the forum from the New posts Button and its a PITA to wad through all the holier then thou I support this more then you crap. I sure don't need to be yelled at by a bunch of cheerleaders. I know what's going on and why. I've known all about the fight for Gun rights since the spring of 1968.

I came here to talk about firearms not about all the other crap. If I wanted all the other crap I would go to a forum called NORTHWEST ALL THE OTHER CRAP.....

I can't agree with you more Mark.

 

[U201491]

Giving in to liberals is offering up to defeat.
They want nothing more than to shut up the right and they win by complaining about all that goes against their agenda.
No one forces anyone to read areas like legal and political or off topic.
Anyone that whines about those topics are not friends of the second amendment and most likely have a counter agenda. They would not bother if they didn't. If people want just discussion about guns, there are many many areas that is available here, but when the select reading things just to complain about them, it is pretty revealing about why they are here and many are hunting conservative sites and topics to disrupt. Don't let them do this Joe, keep an area open to fight for our rights and to dispel myths from the left. Political activism, truth about America's roots are a responsibility that many of us try to teach. They have all but destroyed that part of the education system now. The net is the last frontier remaining to save the US.
If that is infringed, the only resort left will ultimately be what everyone fears. Physical revolution at some point. We still may be able to head that off by information and fighting with words vs lead. I definitely prefer that route.
When the avenues of verbal battle is slowly eliminated, the chances of physical battle intensify.
I can't stress, or even put into words how important it is to have an area to fight this war.
The words just cant be said that tell the EXTREME IMPORTANCE this has for anyone that wants to truly protect and fight to keep the 2nd amendment and the country intact.
Dont let liberals shut us up. The consequences will he dire.