The closed threads in off topic

[Jim Colvill]

I am left leaning, or at least left of center. I own guns. I shoot guns. I collect guns. For me it is a hobby. I've been here over a year now and from my perception I would be thrown into that monolithic bloc you refer to as "liberal". Ok...I'm a liberal of the classic stripe and damn proud of it. I know the constitution, probably better than most; the whole of it. Those "liberals" which many on this board snipe at are not a monolithic bloc. There are many who own guns and, like me, believe in the second amendment. We just believe in it without all the trappings which seem to attach themselves to the issue. This polarization in not indigenous on this board alone but also on many other boards. I'm sure there are others like me here but we don't tend vocalize it as our voices get drowned out in the cyclone of the de facto politics of this board. I've kept quiet up until now, only popping up to make a few comical quips and to make purchases from other members but I can't keep quiet any longer and had to make myself heard. I'm the progeny of New Deal Democrats and Eisenhower/Rockefeller Republicans and I'm darned proud of that heritage. Now...fire away. My hide is thick and my values are strong and we "liberal" gun owners stand with you on the 2nd A even if we oppose you on other issues.

 

[Father of four]

We really need a PR lesson on this site so we stop alienating people from our cause and start attracting them. Its not bowing to the left or being weak. Its smart business! Let's explain to people what the 2nd means to us instead of belittling them and questioning their dedication. Nothing will turn someone's opinion faster then treating them like crap and many members on his site accell at handing out crap.

If you have not noticed by now, some people do not give a crap about you, your rights or your firearms. Being nice to someone like that is just letting your guard down so they can stab you in the back.

Yes, there are many that are neutral, can be swayed, or not and we should talk with them and let them know where we are coming from. People like Feinstein, Pelosi, Reed, Holder and many others do not care what we have to say to begin with. If we are quiet they will pass very bad laws against us.

 

[Father of four]

I am left leaning, or at least left of center. I own guns. I shoot guns. I collect guns. For me it is a hobby. I've been here over a year now and from my perception I would be thrown into that monolithic bloc you refer to as "liberal". Ok...I'm a liberal of the classic stripe and damn proud of it. I know the constitution, probably better than most; the whole of it. Those "liberals" which many on this board snipe at are not a monolithic bloc. There are many who own guns and, like me, believe in the second amendment. We just believe in it without all the trappings which seem to attach themselves to the issue. This polarization in not indigenous on this board alone but also on many other boards. I'm sure there are others like me here but we don't tend vocalize it as our voices get drowned out in the cyclone of the de facto politics of this board. I've kept quiet up until now, only popping up to make a few comical quips and to make purchases from other members but I can't keep quiet any longer and had to make myself heard. I'm the progeny of New Deal Democrats and Eisenhower/Rockefeller Republicans and I'm darned proud of that heritage. Now...fire away. My hide is thick and my values are strong and we "liberal" gun owners stand with you on the 2nd A even if we oppose you on other issues.

I can respect that.

 

[Father of four]

Well, I am a blonde haired, blue eyed, white, Christian, heterosexual male, so I am at the bottom of the pile as some think anyways. Talk about people wanting you to keep your views to yourself! Try walking in these shoes here at NWFA sometimes. Geeezzzzzz......

Hard to keep God out of it when I think the 2nd Amendment is a God given right.

 

[Jim Colvill]

Well, I am a Christian so I am at the bottom of the pile as some think anyways. Talk about people wanting you to keep your views to yourself! Try walking in these shoes here at NWFA sometimes. Geeezzzzzz......

Hard to keep God out of it when I think the 2nd Amendment is a God given right.

I understand your position. I don't agree with the God part but I do believe those rights are written in stone. The historian in me quakes anytime a deity is brought into an equation as it has historically been used as absolution and justification for some heinous deeds. Not just your God but everyone else's.

 

[erudne]

I am left leaning, or at least left of center. I own guns. I shoot guns. I collect guns. For me it is a hobby. I've been here over a year now and from my perception I would be thrown into that monolithic bloc you refer to as "liberal". Ok...I'm a liberal of the classic stripe and damn proud of it. I know the constitution, probably better than most; the whole of it. Those "liberals" which many on this board snipe at are not a monolithic bloc. There are many who own guns and, like me, believe in the second amendment. We just believe in it without all the trappings which seem to attach themselves to the issue. This polarization in not indigenous on this board alone but also on many other boards. I'm sure there are others like me here but we don't tend vocalize it as our voices get drowned out in the cyclone of the de facto politics of this board. I've kept quiet up until now, only popping up to make a few comical quips and to make purchases from other members but I can't keep quiet any longer and had to make myself heard. I'm the progeny of New Deal Democrats and Eisenhower/Rockefeller Republicans and I'm darned proud of that heritage. Now...fire away. My hide is thick and my values are strong and we "liberal" gun owners stand with you on the 2nd A even if we oppose you on other issues.

You may well believe your a Liberal but If your pro 2ndA those who also call themselves Liberals, and control the Liberal Agenda, will castigate you for not being Pro-Civilian Disarmament and betray you in the end as an apostate of State Rule.

 

[U201491]

I seriously have but one question at this point.

Joe
Will there be a place here to discuss, educate and even argue politics and the things that are used to push the country to the left where there will be no more 2nd Amendment or Constitution.
Can I continue my efforts here or do I need to do it elsewhere?
I am a 2nd amendment fighter by nature and by history.
I already am more than familiar with firearms, gunsmithing, I seldom list anything on classifieds and have trained well in use of the rifle and handgun both for sport and competition as well as combat, so seldom use other parts of the forum but I am very active in the political side of things.

I unlike many can navigate past things that do not interest me. I do not try to control or complain about other sections of the forum I am not interested in like so many do with the politics and second amendment fight. Maybe a lesson area for some on how not to open a thread that they dont like would be beneficial. I find that easy, but apparently the site has some kind of mind control gremlin that just makes people open political threads just so they can complain.

Yes I was being a bit facetious.

Seriously, it would be nice if we knew what is in store with regard to the changes you plan to make.
Why we have the 2nd, its history and the fact there are many that are doing things politically to move the country to a position to destroy it are important issues. It takes momentum never stopping to stay ahead of it. This suggestion of change has really disrupted my momentum right when we have a serious battlefront with regard to SB 1551 and the Ashland fiasco.
Please, what are you planning to do.
Continued open discussion or censure politics?
That is all I am asking so we can plan accordingly.

 

[The Heretic]

It wouldn't be interesting if everybody was in agreement all the time. I'm sure this sight has swayed a few politically unaware also. This site has opened my eyes on a few things!
I would like to see limits on amounts of threads started in one day by one person and more women posting as well. Want to get more people voting pro-2ndA? Be more polite when someone is O.K. with more gun control and you want to tell them why they are wrong.

I used to participate on a forum where they had one sub-forum where almost anything was allowed short of child porn and posting of info that would identify forum members.

And pretty much anything went. It was the most popular sub-forum and was a free-for-all. It was also the sub-forum I spent most of my time in. A lot of people came and went. I eventually grew tired of the trolls, and sharks circling whenever I said something somebody didn't like - which being a "heretic" libertarian was most of the time.

One of the major problems they had with trolls was some trolls would bump their threads or threads of one person, or create a lot of threads to "flood" the front page of the forum. A few trolls got banned for it (to which they responded by simply creating another account), and it was a major headache for the mods (they sometimes deleted the threads) and it probably still is.

The most effective response IMO was when they setup the forum software such that when you put someone on "ignore" you could optional set it such that you would not see any thread they started.

Putting someone on "probation" by *individually* limiting the number of threads they can start in a given time period might be okay, but in my experience it is not very effective unless there is an automated mechanism whereby the time period increases with the rate of threads they create over time. You can still flood a forum with threads even if you limit them to one thread per 2 minutes - I have seen it happen. Plus they can create multiple accounts and they can bump their threads.

An ignore mechanism is the best.

Other than that, I did participate in one forum that was supposed to be a more civil version of the first forum I mentioned. You could only get an account if you were sponsored by someone already a member. But there were very few members and while most of the time it was civil, this didn't prevent some of the members from ganging up on me when I responded to a political question about Obama's Healthcare laws (they asked for responses) and 90% of the members didn't like my response. So much for "civility". I should have known better than to post to a political thread there when almost everybody there was a liberal. So I quit that forum too.

I think having an "off-topic" forum is the right idea. So what if there is more participation here than elsewhere? It serves its purpose of not-derailing the other sub-forums right.

Let the trolls have a place where they can vent. Not saying everybody here is a troll.

This is a valid strategy, I've seen it used on multiple forums. On one motorcycle forum I participate on they have multiple "off-topic" forums that are popular, and one where banned threads go to live (aptly named "Banned Camp"). This and some "ignore" capabilities should be enough IMO.

 

[The Heretic]

And yes, I agree - people need to learn to ignore threads and posters they don't like.



Unfortunately there is always someone who cannot resist the lure of trolling, so we may need a powerful ignore mechanism.

 

[U201491]

I seriously have but one question at this point.

Joe
Will there be a place here to discuss, educate and even argue politics and the things that are used to push the country to the left where there will be no more 2nd Amendment or Constitution.
Can I continue my efforts here or do I need to do it elsewhere?
I am a 2nd amendment fighter by nature and by history.
I already am more than familiar with firearms, gunsmithing, I seldom list anything on classifieds and have trained well in use of the rifle and handgun both for sport and competition as well as combat, so seldom use other parts of the forum but I am very active in the political side of things.

I unlike many can navigate past things that do not interest me. I do not try to control or complain about other sections of the forum I am not interested in like so many do with the politics and second amendment fight. Maybe a lesson area for some on how not to open a thread that they dont like would be beneficial. I find that easy, but apparently the site has some kind of mind control gremlin that just makes people open political threads just so they can complain.

Yes I was being a bit facetious.

Seriously, it would be nice if we knew what is in store with regard to the changes you plan to make.
Why we have the 2nd, its history and the fact there are many that are doing things politically to move the country to a position to destroy it are important issues. It takes momentum never stopping to stay ahead of it. This suggestion of change has really disrupted my momentum right when we have a serious battlefront with regard to SB 1551 and the Ashland fiasco.
Please, what are you planning to do.
Continued open discussion or censure politics?
That is all I am asking so we can plan accordingly.

Additional note.
To force politics off to a different forum entirely would also be ineffective. It is the gun minded people, the second amendment minded people and the number of followers at this site that makes it effective.
I have looked at about every other site out there related to firearms and the number of members are around 1/5 or less than what you have at NWF. Dont you think you might be trying to fix something that definitely is not broken..
Most of the complaints you seem to have received are from the liberal side that would prefer to silence the conservative side.
Exact same thing those outside this forum do. The MSM, and the politicians continue to try to make all political speech go to the left.
Please dont do that here.
Total PC will destroy this country.
It already has a good start. If that continues to happen there will be no need for gun forums anywhere.
Look at the following you get here vs other sites. Why lose that ?

 

[erudne]

Ponder This:

Boiling Frogs - YouTube

 

[U201491]

Joe,
In ref to my last post.
What I ask, is.....
Look at the huge following you have vs every other site.
You dwarf them all.
Please DONT FIX SOMETHING THAT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT BROKEN.

 

[Tangent123123]

That is your opinion. Many here have a different opinion. Our founding fathers thought it was not only our right but our duty to keep Our government in check. We use firearms politics, and other ways to keep them in check. If we dont they will take away our firearms, our freedoms and we will be slaves.

Your are 100% right! It is just my opinion. One of many different opinions on this board. We are adults here and can agree to disagree and discuss our difference points of view.

The issue I had was because Taku had a differing opinion than mine, he suggested that my opinion should be ignored over his and that I was a Leftist.
I had an issue with that. I don't agree with his point of view but I was willing to respect it as his but the courtesy was not returned.

 

[JackThompson]

Thank you Blitz for bringing this up.

Joe, I guess I'm a little confused at your goal here as well.

Why have a Preparedness and Survival forum if we are STRICTLY (and vaguely) prohibited from speaking on topics Non-Firearm related?

Why do we have a "What did you do today to Prep" thread STICKIED if it doesn't adhere to the forums guidelines?

Why do your Mods close a thread without ANY word to the original poster or anybody about WHY it was closed? How do we learn what today's rules are if there's no communication? (I had a thread closed last week for no apparent reason with no word, not even a private message describing the transgression, so to me it was simply censorship for the sake of censorship.)

I don't have a lot of time to bounce around various forums on the internet.

I guess what I'm looking for is one where I can talk about Family, Firearms, Classifieds, Politics and Current Events.

If this forum is not that forum I'd like to know now, before I sign up on some newly designed forum you are creating.

 

[U201491]

Your are 100% right! It is just my opinion. One of many different opinions on this board. We are adults here and can agree to disagree and discuss our difference points of view.

The issue I had was because Taku had a differing opinion than mine, he suggested that my opinion should be ignored over his and that I was a Leftist.
I had an issue with that. I don't agree with his point of view but I was willing to respect it as his but the courtesy was not returned.

I dont recall singling you out for anything ??
I do recall your wish to censure me or anyone you dont agree with and saying you have fingers to bypass threads you dont care to read.
But I do remember your last line profanity directive.
A bit childish.

 

[Dunerunner]

I am left leaning, or at least left of center. I own guns. I shoot guns. I collect guns. For me it is a hobby. I've been here over a year now and from my perception I would be thrown into that monolithic bloc you refer to as "liberal". Ok...I'm a liberal of the classic stripe and damn proud of it. I know the constitution, probably better than most; the whole of it. Those "liberals" which many on this board snipe at are not a monolithic bloc. There are many who own guns and, like me, believe in the second amendment. We just believe in it without all the trappings which seem to attach themselves to the issue. This polarization in not indigenous on this board alone but also on many other boards. I'm sure there are others like me here but we don't tend vocalize it as our voices get drowned out in the cyclone of the de facto politics of this board. I've kept quiet up until now, only popping up to make a few comical quips and to make purchases from other members but I can't keep quiet any longer and had to make myself heard. I'm the progeny of New Deal Democrats and Eisenhower/Rockefeller Republicans and I'm darned proud of that heritage. Now...fire away. My hide is thick and my values are strong and we "liberal" gun owners stand with you on the 2nd A even if we oppose you on other issues.

Just for my edification, please explain what the 2A is for you; from your just left of center perspective. This is the discussion we as firearms owners must have and perhaps some understanding will come of it.

 

[Classic]

I'm fairly new to this forum and I also am a member of other Gun sites. One "Pay to Play" site is ruled with an iron fist where if you disagree with the owner he will ban you at the drop of a hat. Another popular site in WA (where donations are optional like this site) the Mods just insist you remain civil. No name calling or bashing is allowed and there are some entertaining conversations that take place. We are all adults here (hopefully). We have the ability to choose which threads we read or ignore.
Personally I like the one stop shopping which is why I spend more time on a different site as a donating member. Personally I think the Mods here are too controlling. I tried to discuss a different radius on a the 1911 firing pin stop but had to use the word SLOW in place of r etard because it was changed to bubblegum.... really?
Sorry but Guns and Politics go hand in hand. Spirited discussions are a good thing as long as they are kept civil.
IMHO

PS: I too would appreciate a PM when a mod deletes a post I made. Can't say that's happened here but if I do something wrong I would like to understand exactly what I did!

 

[Jim Colvill]

Just for my edification, please explain what the 2A is for you; from your just left of center perspective. This is the discussion we as firearms owners must have and perhaps some understanding will come of it.

Simple. The right to those tools to protect myself, my family and property and my community. Ten separate SCOTUS rulings have maintained the police are under no obligation to protect individuals or their property; it is my duty and obligation to protect myself. This doesn't mean I have to be a jackwad and walk around the streets with a rifle slung across my back just for the shock value. Should a riot occur, such as the ones in LA following the O.J. Simpson trial, you can bet I will have my rifle ready to protect my interest in the same way those Korean business owners were doing in LA. For personal, everyday protection a concealed hand gun is adequate. I harbor no illusions about myself being some macho warrior living out fantasies; I don't bluster. I'm too old to be even in the unorganized militia under the strictures of U.S. Code chapter 10 but I still retain the right to keep arms and bear them as the situation warrants.

So, you see, we are not so different on this issue. Other social issues I may look at from a different perspective which doesn't jibe with the Right wing but on guns we stand together.

Jim

 

[Trlsmn]

I think picking the Mods out as the problem is blame misplaced. The rules dictate what actions a Mod takes when rules are broken, we dont take actions blased on personal views. The thing is we cant please all sides of an issue when modding. Ive personnaly been acussed of being a Liberal puppet, a Conservative puppet, threatened with violence, threatened to be sued, and had a member offer management a legitimate $5000 to fire me as a Mod.

All this just rolls off me and I keep going, its a thankless job but I do it with no ill will and to the best of my abilities. Ive learned and grown as a Mod, as Mods we try to keep things running so that no one knows we are here.

The problem as I see it is always the two party politics, it's 99% of the reason threads get closed. I know in my heart we have agent provocateurs that ard simply here to derail threads that make their leader look bad. What can we do? Its a problem that has no easy solution.

The best thing to do us to not rise to respond to the trolls, remember, to kill a troll you must starve them not feed them.

Sent from my SGH-T989 using Tapatalk

 

[Classic]

I think picking the Mods out as the problem is blame misplaced. The rules dictate what actions a Mod takes when rules are broken, we dont take actions blased on personal views. The thing is we cant please all sides of an issue when modding. Ive personnaly been acussed of being a Liberal puppet, a Conservative puppet, threatened with violence, threatened to be sued, and had a member offer management a legitimate $5000 to fire me as a Mod.

Sounds like you're doing your job! I would have taken the 5 grand (and you would have needed a new handle) hahaha