Tea Party organizers say "No guns!"

[Blitzkrieg]

It could also be said that de-regulation, outsourcing, union-busting, no protectionism in trade, hacking up tariffs, etc. have hurt domestic production, therefore eliminating many "family-wage" jobs.

This I agree with

I dont know too many working class people who were taxed out of their retirement, or who lost their factory jobs to feminism, or the lack of good paying full time jobs being attributed to hippies.

Then you have not been paying attention to the damage they have done

I think it is more likely the policy choices of the 'free-marketeers' (Regan/Clinton/The Bushes and lets not leave out the Obamanator) who have made it so easy to sell out the working man in favor of big profits and political deals that screw over the average guy.

This I agree with

Dont get me wrong, Im not saying that the tree huggers havent killed jobs or anything... believe me, I know all to well the dark times that followed the loss of the timber industry.

All I am saying is that for 30 years we have seen wages fall, costs rise, corporate power and profits increase exponentially. All the while the politicians and their buddies laugh all the way to the bank. Im not in favor of a socialist utopia, I just want a return to the semi-protectionist policies of my father's and grandfather's era.

This I agree with

Included in all this, of course, is our 'bread & circuses' consumerism/advertising driven society. All the things people complain about, but gladly take part in... for example... we all want good jobs that pay well, but you cant have that when people want to buy the cheapest crap possible, as often as possible.

This I agree with

IMO we need to return to the era when we made something in this country that was quality and when it broke, there were other Americans who made a living repairing those things. Anyone remember the TV repairman? or small appliance repairman? NO, thats because instead of buying an American made toaster for $30 and maybe having it fixed every few years. You want to buy a $10 Chinese toaster every six months. See what I am getting at?

We have sold ourselves out. Our politicians are merely facilitating and profiting from it.

This I agree with


Blaming our current situation on hippies and dykes isnt going to get us anywhere, we need to rethink our situation and look at hard realities and facts, not fight amongst ourselves within the political boundaries that have been provided to us by the powers that be.

This I do not agree with. Communism and it's sister, feminism, have been the major factors in destroying us, by taking women out of the home and child rearing/making, and putting them in the workplace, ALA communism. Feminism, like the 1960s hippieism, were communist movements intended to destabilize the Christian nuclear family

When the tea party takes on the big picture, instead of being the tool of the right, I will sign on in a heartbeat.

I am like unto the Founding Fathers.. if they were "right" then I guess I am, too..

 

[zeezee]

Shibber, how in the heck do you expect something as disorganize as the TEA Party to "When the tea party takes on the big picture, instead of being the tool of the right, I will sign on in a heartbeat." They aren't an arm of the right, didn't you read what I posted earlier, that 40% of TEA Party participants are democrats and independents. People are fed up with our government, democrats, independents and yes republicans. It is those AMERICANS who are voicing their displeasure over 40 years of government intervention. We want it to stop, join the TEA Party, carry your firearm but believe me the time is now to unite or let bho have a second and third and forth term. With all the illegals going to be given blanket amnesty your vote and mine won't count one wee bit. Unite, or die.

 

[shibbershabber]

Blitz, sounds like you and I arent too far off. Good to know.

ZeeZee, When the TP takes on issues other than those that mirror Republican talking points, then I will attend. Job creation is a bigger issue... and lower taxes dont create jobs.

I am a small business owner, and even if my taxes were eliminated completely, it would not create a job opening.

 

[zeezee]

Blitz, sounds like you and I arent too far off. Good to know.

ZeeZee, When the TP takes on issues other than those that mirror Republican talking points, then I will attend. Job creation is a bigger issue... and lower taxes dont create jobs.

I am a small business owner, and even if my taxes were eliminated completely, it would not create a job opening.

Don't you understand by remaining divided obama wins. Subject closed

 

[watcher]

Totally wrong Blitz - the burden of proof is with the accuser.

 

[shibbershabber]

Thats the problem. The whole TP movement seems to think that the country's problems will be solved when Obama leaves office.

My point is that our problems were here before Obama, and they will remain when he is gone.

The problem is that we need to transform our economy and trade policies to encourage and protect American industry. Domestic Supply + Domestic Demand = American Job Security.

Seems most of the TPers are okay with enriching China and India at the expense of the American worker in the name of the free market and less regulation. I dont want a huge overbearing government either... but government does have a purpose, and part of that purpose should be protecting our job market from cheap thrid world labor and the profiteers who would sell out their fellow Americans to save a few bucks.

 

[Chee-to]

Originally Posted by watcher View Post
Guys, for Heaven's sake, get real. If anybody could find proof that Obama was not a citizen it would not be published on partisan websites - it would be in letters 50 feet high in Times Square.

There are two possibilities, the rumor is not true or the people we think might benefit from the truth are hiding what they know - both unlikely.

We don't have to prove anything. The burden is on him, and he has not given us any proof

Hmmmmm, slip of the tongue ???

http://article.wn.com/view/2010/04/05/michelle_obama_admits_kenya_is_p_bos_homeland/

 

[Blitzkrieg]

I feel another locked thread coming on.



I told you I was confused. First, violence is never justified, by any party, as a way of changing a "democratically" elected government, the ballot box is the way to do this. Now, a government installed or extended by corruption is another matter.

This is a completely irresponsible statement and also short-sighted. First, we are a long way from needing to resort to violence. Second, some people, including myself, do not feel that the present government is actually doing anything that justifies violence. To put it plainly, if the rabid section of the community decides to resort to violence to remove a government elected by the majority of US citizens then they will find me on the streets also - standing on the OTHER side of the barrier. I do not think I will be alone.

Changing the political system I will support but this should not be done at the expense of a second civil war.

I disagree. justified violence is just around the corner

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Totally wrong Blitz - the burden of proof is with the accuser.

Wrong,wants to be wants THB MIC

He is not mine

 

[watcher]

So Blitz, would you mind explaining concisely what you believe justifies violence?

The fact that you think the elections are too far away?
That your chosen group may not be elected?
That someone MAY try to corrupt the election?

The ranks of the Tparty are apparently increasing, I can think of no more effective way to destroy this success than for its own members to prove that they are the kind of nuts that people hope they are not. Certainly, a call for violent change cries out for the quality of logic we read in the Declaration - please supply your version.

Edited to comment on 2nd post.
OK Blitz - I think you are a fairly that wears a pink tutu when you are at home at night. Prove me wrong.

 

[Buddhalux]

I dunno about you but this government of ours is looking pretty tyrannical to me. I think a little piece of paper stated that when that happened it was time to take up arms and hold the government accountable for it's actions.

 

[watcher]

You can't plan violence based on suppositions.
Facts, gentlemen, facts. Give us the facts.
If you want to give us your fears then provide the facts they are based upon.

The TParty could actually, given good luck, improve our political mess and help to implement worthwhile reforms. The people who advocate revolution can only lead the country over a cliff into an unrecoverable disaster. Here are some facts.

First. As someone said of revolution, "it eats its children". Once a revolution starts it is impossible to control. Take the example of the Russian revolution. It was designed to free the population from the power of the Tsars - it ended up with Joseph Stalin and millions of dead. Would the same thing happen with a new American Revolution? One thing I can assure you of is that you would not find a TParty based political landscape. More likely we would end up with a fragmented, botched up, semi-federal system that was unable to coordinate its own security.

A revolution can be started overnight but its effects take years to smooth out. Despite the promises and wishes of the revolutionaries the post-revolution establishment of order and government takes time. In 1776 this did not matter because the rest of the World did not need the US. Today, if the US is removed from World affairs and the international economy, even for a short period of time, the result will be chaos for both the US and the World. While the US is distracted will North Korea invade South Korea, will China invade Taiwan, will Iran move into Iraq, would Mexican drug cartels take over the Southern US?

Second. How do you think that a country in revolution can coordinate two overseas wars? Would the troops be bought home to participate? If not who would be responsible for keeping them supplied? Do you want to isolate our troops without fresh weapons and equipment so that they can be surrounded and slaughtered by the Taliban? Our forces depend on daily resupply, cut supplies for a week and we stop fighting. Can the governments in countries we are supposedly supporting have any faith in a nation that is in revolution at home or will they just cut and run or even turn against us?

Third. Exactly who, in this brave new revolutionary order, would be responsible for handling the national economy? How long will we have to create a credible system? International financial transactions depend on the availability of credit. How much credibility does a country in revolution, with no clear organization responsible for the economy, have? Do you think the Chinese would stand by for years holding on to plummeting dollars while a bunch of amateurs puts our devastated financial system back in order? What sane country will lend money to a country in turmoil? Just who would pay for the vast amounts of oil we would still have to import, without interruption, while the economy is recreated? Remember, World stock markets can collapse overnight based on a bad rumor. Do you think the international economy could stand a new American Revolution? Where will the US be without the capability to trade internationally? How long can we survive without imports?

Unfortunately, the most dedicated revolutionaries are probably the worst qualified people to actually control a nation.

 

[MuddyWatters]

Teabonics anyone?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pargon/sets/72157623594187379/

 

[Chee-to]

Teabonics anyone?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pargon/sets/72157623594187379/

Ya, pretty funny. Here's more signs from the other side, not so funny.....

<broken link removed>

 

[MuddyWatters]

Ya, pretty funny. Here's more signs from the other side, not so funny.....

<broken link removed>

Just as much vitriol but much better spelling!

 

[Chee-to]

Just as much vitriol but much better spelling!

True, difference being no death threats, no Che, and no flags being burnt or pissed on.............

 

[Blitzkrieg]

So Blitz, would you mind explaining concisely what you believe justifies violence?

The fact that you think the elections are too far away?
That your chosen group may not be elected?
That someone MAY try to corrupt the election?

The ranks of the Tparty are apparently increasing, I can think of no more effective way to destroy this success than for its own members to prove that they are the kind of nuts that people hope they are not. Certainly, a call for violent change cries out for the quality of logic we read in the Declaration - please supply your version.

Edited to comment on 2nd post.
OK Blitz - I think you are a fairly that wears a pink tutu when you are at home at night. Prove me wrong.

Nice ad hominem attack there. pal. Why not ask me how often I beat my wife or rape my dog?

It's always fascinated me how people act out the tough guy and spew insults while hiding behind a computer monitor

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Totally wrong Blitz - the burden of proof is with the accuser.

The Constitution requires that he be a US citizen. The burden of proof is on Obongo

 

[MuddyWatters]

True, difference being no death threats, no Che, and no flags being burnt or pissed on.............

I'm not going to defend either side. I just thought the signs were too funny not to share.

 

[watcher]

Just the facts. just give me the facts - I don't see any yet.

The Constitution requires that he be a US citizen. The burden of proof is on Obongo

No Blitz, Obama has no more need to prove he is American than you have to prove you don't wear a tutu. The accuser has to have a case with sufficient evidence to level a credible accusation and then the accused may be required to defend himself in a court of law. Until you can get a special prosecutor (or whatever is needed) and evidence, or you can get your accusations in front of the Supreme Court you are blowing into the wind. Facts, give me the facts, facts that would stand up in a court of law, until then please curb your comments on Obama's nationality. Please prove your claims or please remain quiet, you are not helping the right-wing cause.

Just for entertainment let's see what we can discover from a name.
Now, we have Barrack Hussein Obama, sounds muslim enough does it not. The fact that Obama hardly had the ability to object to the name when it was selected for him would seem to be some defense against people who wish to claim that, just by having a muslim name, this establishes the fact they he is a true muslim and always has been.

But what about the people who choose a name for themselves in later life when they are perfectly capable of making a considered selection? Surely these people can be expected to be demonstrating something by the name they choose? How about a name like "Blitzkreig"? "Blitzkreig", the Nazi name they used for their effective attack style in WW2 as they invaded peaseful neighbors in a war of aggression. Anyone choosing a name like Blitzkreig is certainly a Nazi sympathizer, probably a neo-nazi and almost certainly a racist and anti-semite. This coupled with wearing a pink tutu in private really suggests we are dealing with a strange individual.

But relax Blitz, I know everything I said in the last paragraph is absolute bull-manure and that you are in reality a really good guy. My point is that it is as futile to project Obama's beliefs based on his name as it is to predict yours based on your Forum name. Cool down a little please and look at the Facts, just the Facts.

Blitz said:

It's always fascinated me how people act out the tough guy and spew insults while hiding behind a computer monitor

Fascinating is it not?

Blitz also said:

I disagree. justified violence is just around the corner

I've worn my piece concealed at every rally at our state capitol, all my posse does, and will continue to do so as long as it's legal

Without a political alternative, we patriotic Americans are $crewed into a really bloody fight.. I am game, either way, my friend

Remember We the People are the actual rulers, we simply have to strongly assert ourselves in whatever manner required

One Big *** Mistake America