National Sutherland Springs Texas Mass Shooting Baptist Church

[ZigZagZeke]

You realize that if they win we're all picking up the tab.

Yes, and if they get $100M in damages it will cost you individually about 33¢.

 

[notazombie]

General principle, man. General principle.

 

[ZigZagZeke]

The problem here is not that there are guns on our streets. The problem is that there are dangerously crazy people on our streets. We need an effective mental health treatment system. We cannot continue to remand dangerously crazy people to the care of their families, with a prescription and an appointment for counseling next month.

 

[ZigZagZeke]

General principle, man. General principle.

I once had some business partners who thought that way. They spent all their time trying to make sure we didn't spend a nickel unnecessarily. That way they didn't have to think about ways we could actually increase sales and profits by thousands of dollars a week. It's easy to gripe and be negative. It's harder to be creative and positive.

 

[ArtBrownSr]

We have this thread:
National - Air Force identifies dozens of failures to relay criminal info to firearms database

they already started to correct it.

 

[notazombie]

I once had some business partners who thought that way. They spent all their time trying to make sure we didn't spend a nickel unnecessarily. That way they didn't have to think about ways we could actually increase sales and profits by thousands of dollars a week. It's easy to gripe and be negative. It's harder to be creative and positive.

If you or I want to be creative and positive there isn't a single thing stopping us from sending our dollars directly to the victims' families. If this goes to trial we'll be forced to pay for someone else's actions and the lawyers will get half. Sure, it might only be an insignificant amount from each American tax payer but it's not our debt to pay. Neither you nor I made that crazy a-hole pull the trigger. So yes, general principle.

 

[RicInOR]

We have this thread:
National - Air Force identifies dozens of failures to relay criminal info to firearms database

they already started to correct it.

DOZENS ! It took a death to get them to even look. Systemic problem. Failure of Leadership, or
as the Navy has done, Focus on the WRONG THINGS - PC things. I bet they are 100% compliant on Transsexual Sensitivity Training.

 

[Caveman Jim]

DOZENS ! It took a death to get them to even look. Systemic problem. Failure of Leadership, or
as the Navy has done, Focus on the WRONG THINGS - PC things. I bet they are 100% compliant on Transsexual Sensitivity Training.

Sure it takes deaths to get almost anything looked at that is bad design or bad people in powerful positions.
Case in point, McCleary Washington Highway 8 and Mox Chehalis rd intersection where the WDOT knew of and would not fix the problem that had killed more than a dozen people.
How many deaths does it take to get anything done? The policy makers (actual bodies) should be held accountable but sadly in any GOV entity they are promoted instead of demoted or jailed.

 

[ArtBrownSr]

I one time (in the seventies I was doing traffic studies) and some one stated that a traffic light is not considered until the intersection cost x number of lives I NEVER DID HEAR THE NUMBER!

 

[fredball]

root cause of this type thing
schools no longer teach Moral charter building
they teach society building and golbal warming how America is a terrible place
all the phobias , racism,sexism,capitalism is bad socialism is good
this type of teaching breeds this person to comit this kind of crimes
JM

 

[Tony617]

Praise the Lord, Pass the Ammunition? Texas AG Says It's OK to Pack Heat in Pews

 

[Jonnyuma]

Praise the Lord, Pass the Ammunition? Texas AG Says It's OK to Pack Heat in Pews

Carrying in church wasn't illegal before, was it? I believe it was up to the church whether or not they wanted to be GFZones, which is exactly how it should be.

 

[Tony617]

Carrying in church wasn't illegal before, was it? I believe it was up to the church whether or not they wanted to be GFZones, which is exactly how it should be.

Look at post #39 of this thread.

 

[Jonnyuma]

Look at post #39 of this thread.

Well, that goes back a-ways but I guess I was wrong in my assumption.
If it's the law then I don't see how the AG's opinion changes anything.

 

[bbbass]

Didn't read it, but I think the AG is saying his offices will not prosecute?

 

[ZigZagZeke]

Sure, it might only be an insignificant amount from each American tax payer but it's not our debt to pay. Neither you nor I made that crazy a-hole pull the trigger. So yes, general principle.

You and I are responsible for electing politicians that decided to close our state run mental health facilities that used to be the means to control and treat people like this in a locked down environment BEFORE they went off the rails completely. We listened to those politicians who promised us tax cuts and balanced budgets by ending these programs and we elected them. Yes, it is on us.

 

[Jonnyuma]

Didn't read it, but I think the AG is saying his offices will not prosecute?

I think that's what he is saying too, but the law is what it is until it's changed. Who wants to be the first test-case?

Joe Biden told me to scare off home invaders by firing my shotgun into the air... twice. I ain't taking any legal advice from that idiot either.

 

[Flymph]

If it is illegal to carry into a church, the law is unconstitutional as it conflicts with the separation of church from state.

As long a murder or kidnapping and rape isn't involved the state has no business in churches. Also, any religion has no business directly influencing the state. To say otherwise is a blatant contradiction to our constitution and freedom.

 

[Boboclown]

I think that's what he is saying too, but the law is what it is until it's changed. Who wants to be the first test-case?

Joe Biden told me to scare off home invaders by firing my shotgun into the air... twice. I ain't taking any legal advice from that idiot either.

He also said women should have a shotgun instead of an AR. Considering my mom can't handle anything more than .308 (and .308 is pushing it for her), I don't think we should get home defense advice from the idiot either! Some folk can't handle a shotgun.

 

[billdeserthills]

You and I are responsible for electing politicians that decided to close our state run mental health facilities that used to be the means to control and treat people like this in a locked down environment BEFORE they went off the rails completely. We listened to those politicians who promised us tax cuts and balanced budgets by ending these programs and we elected them. Yes, it is on us.

I don't buy that it's my fault cause a lying sack of crap politician (likely a lawyer) took advantage of me--In fact that's just one good reason to bring back dueling--Don't you
realize that the law dispensed with dueling because of lawyers in the first place likely
to make us more 'civilized' --just another polite word for 'able to be screwed over and not mind so much'