Survive a civil war

[arakboss]

Whelp we are in Oregon who will our alliance be with ?

Alliance

 

[PORSCHE928S4]

Alliance

Dang

 

[Yarome]

On a similar note, the present socialist governments in the Western states would collapse without the votes of the population centers. They extend their power over the hinterlands as long as the hinterlands don't see it as an existential threat. Once it passes that point, control becomes problematic. The urban masses could become restless if things get tough.

That does bring up an interesting point. IE., I can easily imagine PDX imploding on itself rather quickly if the influx of resources were to drop to a trickle and the state "majority" turned on them. Unable to police or support the citizenry... and the city dwellers largely lacking the skills and much foreplaning to be able to support themselves independently for such a turn of events... they would eat themselves from the inside in pretty short order.

Ideologically... there's your "greater Idaho" developing naturally by the power of the people and the blue bastions wouldn't have much say in the matter. You're basically talking about turning into a military state... and what should scare the liberals is that most of the people serving in the OR nat'l guard are NOT the woke Portland born, bred and indoctrinated types.

I always get a kick out of the liberals when they say stoopid things like, "What are you going to do? Go against the U.S. military??"... without even thinking it through. In the event of a civil war the military itself would fracture between the political loyalists and the U.S. loyalists. Considering that most who seek service in the military are largely "conservatives"... and some of the largest military bases exist within conservative states... where I plagued with "wokeitis" I would be very highly concerned about my chances of survival.

Just sayin....

 

[jayR]

I see bad acting.

 

[wired]

That does bring up an interesting point. IE., I can easily imagine PDX imploding on itself rather quickly if the influx of resources were to drop to a trickle and the state "majority" turned on them. Unable to police or support the citizenry... and the city dwellers largely lacking the skills and much foreplaning to be able to support themselves independently for such a turn of events... they would eat themselves from the inside in pretty short order.

Ideologically... there's your "greater Idaho" developing naturally by the power of the people and the blue bastions wouldn't have much say in the matter. You're basically talking about turning into a military state... and what should scare the liberals is that most of the people serving in the OR nat'l guard are NOT the woke Portland born, bred and indoctrinated types.

I always get a kick out of the liberals when they say stoopid things like, "What are you going to do? Go against the U.S. military??"... without even thinking it through. In the event of a civil war the military itself would fracture between the political loyalists and the U.S. loyalists. Considering that most who seek service in the military are largely "conservatives"... and some of the largest military bases exist within conservative states... where I plagued with "wokeitis" I would be very highly concerned about my chances of survival.

Just sayin....

When I was in, and Im sure its similar now, the officer corps was about 1/3 of the citadel/ west point or at least ROTC variety. Career conservative officers . The rest were drawn from the roles of people who needed their college debt paid off and leaned heavily liberal. In the enlisted lower ranks they were more towards not caring politically and would follow orders to minority staunch conservative . The staunch conservative guys usually dont stay in long. After 3-4 tours the lifers were hooked on the sugar and tended to be more on the liberal side at least in terms of allegiance to their source of sugar.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Texas has wanted to be an independent nation ever since they had to have Uncle Sam rescue them from Mexico . Theyre just biding their time.

With newsome, pelosi, feinstein coming from there I would think TX would declare war on CA just on general principle.

 

[Loc]

Nick Offerman is a super-lefty, as I understand it. I can already guess what the themes of the movie are gonna be, and it won't be painting us gun owners in a positive light.

I'd guess the plot line is something like this: The CA/TX alliance, the so-called "Western Forces", are the "good guys" because they are violently opposing a populist, Trump-like administration.

I did find this official plot description fascinating: "In the near future, a team of journalists travel across the United States during a rapidly escalating civil war that has engulfed the entire nation."

Yep, a movie centered on how self-important the press in this country still believes themselves to be. Skip.

 

[Yarome]

When I was in, and Im sure its similar now, the officer corps was about 1/3 of the citadel/ west point or at least ROTC variety. Career conservative officers . The rest were drawn from the roles of people who needed their college debt paid off and leaned heavily liberal. In the enlisted lower ranks they were more towards not caring politically and would follow orders to minority staunch conservative . The staunch conservative guys usually dont stay in long. After 3-4 tours the lifers were hooked on the sugar and tended to be more on the liberal side at least in terms of allegiance to their source of sugar.

The military doesn't live in a vacuum. Seeing just how much our society has changed and the divisive lines being formed in just the past 5 years I don't believe it's at all reasonable to make the assumption that our military structure has remained immune to change through the decades.

Regardless, their main duty and sworn oath is to uphold the constitution and protect against any enemy... foreign or domestic. If you factor in that the cause of civil war is likely to be a tyrannical government blatantly violating the constitution, considering that no military officer is obligated to obey an illegal order, and that many would have very great issue if ordered to take action against our own citizens... I don't subscribe to the idea that the military complex will stand fully intact behind a tyrannical gooberment.

Some most definitely will, but there is likely to be a very large segment that would actively oppose any such actions.

 

[wired]

The military doesn't live in a vacuum. Seeing just how much our society has changed and the divisive lines being formed in just the past 5 years I don't believe it's at all reasonable to make the assumption that our military structure has remained immune to change through the decades.

Regardless, their main duty and sworn oath is to uphold the constitution and protect against any enemy... foreign or domestic. If you factor in that the cause of civil war is likely to be a tyrannical government blatantly violating the constitution, considering that no military officer is obligated to obey an illegal order, and that many would have very great issue if ordered to take action against our own citizens... I don't subscribe to the idea that the military complex will stand fully intact behind a tyrannical gooberment.

Some most definitely will, but there is likely to be a very large segment that would actively oppose any such actions.

Well, once they start getting shot at they see who's shooting as the enemy. Thats when the firefights start and political allegiance aside, they start following orders.

 

[nammac]

Guess Posse Comitatus would have been enacted by congress against the American people for this scenario of "Civil War" to unfold. Or perhaps congress has been suspended by the President and he's taken on a dictatorship…

Meh…

 

[CamoDeafie]

Guess Posse Comitatus would have been enacted by congress against the American people for this scenario of "Civil War" to unfold. Or perhaps congress has been suspended by the President and he's taken on a dictatorship…

Meh…

A lot of things would first have to happen to get to the movie's basic premises.

Congress going for a 3rd term Presidency, by amending the Constitution;
Congress allowing posse commitatus, by amending or repealing parts of Constitution.
States openly seceding/rebelling against Federal government for violating civil rights or even States rights

 

[wired]

Guess Posse Comitatus would have been enacted by congress against the American people for this scenario of "Civil War" to unfold. Or perhaps congress has been suspended by the President and he's taken on a dictatorship…

Meh…

Its kind like when Lincoln unilaterally suspended Habeus Corpus and then freed slaves on his own.. Our Constitution means squat when times get tough.

 

[Knobgoblin]

Franklin D Roosevelt.

Frank deez , you fu**in Nerd!

 

[CamoDeafie]

I remember some hyperbolic talk about Congress amending/repealing the presidential term limits so that Obama could get a 3rd term, back in 2016 and now, we're reading about Michelle Obama... I do honestly think though that it won't happen for Michelle to get even a VP seat or candidacy... not when we have Newsom and others.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Texas has wanted to be an independent nation ever since they had to have Uncle Sam rescue them from Mexico . Theyre just biding their time.

Texas has done a great job of spinning the narrative to be the hero of their own story

I mean, just look at the Alamo! Everyone knows that the Alamo was way out in the middle of nowhere and the Texans moved it into downtown San Antonio just so they could get more tourist through it

 

[CamoDeafie]

Saw some comments in a certain subreddit claiming that Texas is one of the poorest States in the US, and that it absolutely needs California while conveniently leaving out the massive debt that CA has, and the fact it depends on the other Western States (Oregon, WA, Idaho, Colorado, Montana) for water from Colorado, Columbia, Willamette/Santiam and Snake rivers...

 

[Stomper]

If I gotta were those dumb azz glasses like the "hero" in the trailer...
I'd rather not survive.....
Andy

Sounds like SOMEONE was issued RPG's while enlisted….. LOL!

 

[Knobgoblin]

Saw some comments in a certain subreddit claiming that Texas is one of the poorest States in the US, and that it absolutely needs California while conveniently leaving out the massive debt that CA has, and the fact it depends on the other Western States (Oregon, WA, Idaho, Colorado, Montana) for water from Colorado, Columbia, Willamette/Santiam and Snake rivers...

The emperor's new clothes. Too funny

 

[Stomper]

Saw some comments in a certain subreddit claiming that Texas is one of the poorest States in the US, and that it absolutely needs California while conveniently leaving out the massive debt that CA has, and the fact it depends on the other Western States (Oregon, WA, Idaho, Colorado, Montana) for water from Colorado, Columbia, Willamette/Santiam and Snake rivers...

Don't forget supplying their electric grid!!

 

[Longwalkhome]

Some of the chatter on this movie is it's predictive programming, I wonder

I still think Alaska would be the best temporary escape if it's a summer time event. fishing and hunting would be a great time.